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princesas de disney Which of these three cine do tu think is the most sexist towards men?
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Maleficent
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Frozen- The men in this movie are just so badly written. They have Kristoff either act gross, like an asshole towards Anna and everyone else, or like a nutcase that talks for his reindeer. Olaf is a complete idiot that doesn't even know that he will melt in summer. I know he was just born but so was Frosty The Snowman, who also wasn't very bright, but still knew that he would melt when heat came. I mean, there's stupid and than there is insultingly dumb! The King (but the Queen is at fault here too) and the leader of the trolls are what caused Elsa to fear her powers, ruin Anna and Elsa's childhood, and caused these problems in the first place. Then we have the deceitful assholes like the Duke and Hans. Plus the constant shoving the message of not marrying someone you just met, you don't need a man, and female relationships just makes it even more jarring. This is just degrading!
Brave- The only male characters in this movie that aren't teated like idiots are Merida's brothers, the Witch's crow, and to an extent, Fergus. But even Fergus, along with the other male characters, have no sense of peace and logic and only solve problems through war, unlike the women. Plus the suitors for Merida are just a smack in the face that men are idiots and losers that women don't need. Shouldn't they be just as skilled, competent, and attractive as Merida? Shouldn't they be great guys but Merida just isn't ready to get married yet? No, instead they just decide to make the men look like idiots and losers to make the women look better.
Feminism isn't making women look WAY better than the "inferior" men. It's EQUALITY! Which means you can show a woman as strong, independent, and not desperate for a man but don't make the men just look like idiots that women have to deal with. I like Brave but the way all of these movies portray men is just sexist in my opinion.
I hope Moana isn't anything like this.... If so, I'll be shaking my head some more.
With Maleficent the message is insulting towards women as well. By playing the plot of the "woman scorned" the movie reinforces again sexist stereotypes: that women can never be evil, that women can only do wicked deeds if influenced by men, as if they have no free will of their own. In a way the movie is more sexist at times than the 1959 version!
But yeah I don't get these new "strong" movies. They seem to be pandering to the hateful tumblr crowd at times. "Yess female relationships no icky boys eew!"
This will sound strange, but at least Princess and the Frog and Mulan got this right. The female characters were strong but the movie didn't need to "dumb" down the men in order to make the female look superior. And that's a big problem with establishing female characters nowadays, that in order to make the girl stand out, all the men around her must be idiotic. It's not true equality in my eyes if the woman has to prove she's "Just as good as any of the guys" when all the guys are clowns who can't do anything right.
Non-male swooning is not something unique to only Kristoff. That's what I'm trying to say. But Kristoff is very brusque, and he is not the kind of male I would ever cosy up with, because he's judgmental. Frozen is packed full of judgmental characters. Elsa is extremely judgmental of her sister. Kristoff is judgmental of the female interest in romance ( having never even met a female before Anna, this seems weird). And Hans and the Duke are also judgmental, and are opportunists.
Besides, Frozen is the latest in the DP movies ( not live remakes, which Scarletunicorn pointed out), and in order to carry on the "theme" of Elsa and Anna being superior princesses to their forebears, Disney had to either vilify the male half of the movie, or show them to be cynical hermits. Not an improvement at all in my opinion, and I do agree with Uploaded that this is entering misandry territory on all fronts.
Kristoff is a jerk, sure. But we've all got flaws. (Tiana's pretty judgmental, too, but she's still a good character.) I like that you're not inclined to throw yourself at him; that's kind of the point. He's not idealized or objectified for the female gaze; he's just a regular dude. Good for him.
Elsa: Anna, you can’t marry a man you just met.
Anna: Elsa, you have magical ice powers, my brain got memory-wiped by trolls, you sang and danced up a mountain without losing your breath or even getting a little bit tired even with very little oxygen in the high-altitude air, I’ve been traveling with a talking snowman, you can make sentient snow people, this ice harvester I met was raised by trolls, we randomly burst into song with perfect harmony and choreography, and you are telling me I can’t have a little fairy tale romance?
Elsa: …
though I totally agree the 'infantilized guy' is ridiculously offensive too.
anyway, Brave is pretty insulting. It's like you can never portray women as stupid (unless it's an unacceptable kind of woman- like the Bimbettes, who like Gaston, or Lottie, who is portrayed as ditzy and shallow next to Tia) but men can be. women always have to be the competent, smart ones. I hate Frozen's sexism of both portraying nice men as secretly evil, gross rude men as the ones you HAVE to be with, and also sexist to girls who want love and find it instantly as if that makes them stupid and shallow.
but Maleficent is flat-out anti-man. painting men as dangerous is dangerous itself. I agree with everything Scarlet said.
It's like, all right, Disney, we get it now. Boys are ICKY and so is love, eww!
Audrey - Elsa is definitely a hypocrite. She has no experience with love either. But being a hypocrite doesn't discredit what she says -- Hans *is* bad news. I think everyone is missing the point when they make this about women and men, when really it's stupid to marry a stranger regardless of your gender.
And it's also about making characters relatable -- the audience is more likely to agree with what Elsa is saying than Anna's objections. Disney was a punchline for a long time for peddling outdated tropes. Even if they are saying what you think they're saying about love and whatever, that's how society feels now. It's good to see Disney getting with the times.
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