So this all happened when I made a post on specifically why I dislike Frozen.
Original post:
tu know I know some people dislike frozen because it's overrated, but I just don't like cine that are "made for their time" I like cine that strive to be classic. It's one of the main reasons I dislike Aladdin, Hercules, Frozen, and, though I like enredados more, that as well. I don't know, I just felt like I should say that.
That being the reason I disliked Frozen, some people thought that it was más timeless than what I was giving it credit for.
avatar_tla_fan commented…
I dislike frozen because of the story and the characters, although it is very overrated, that doesn't effect my decision as much.
Sk8er__grl commented…
Why is frozen and enredados only made for it's time? I understand Hercules and aladdín because of pop cultural references all over the place, but I think that disney was trying to make frozen and enredados to last for a while. And cine like aladdín did last a long time with a big fan base so. I don't now I'm probably way off.
misscindyspice commented…
Agree with Sk8er :3
KataraLover commented…
aladdín is actually considered a timeless classic, I think Hercules is too but I'm not sure. I think frozen is just the product of the time. But enredados seems timeless to me.
BelleRose829 commented…
Pop culture references die after time moves on, frankly none of my little cousins get genies jokes. Hercules is a tad más timeless, but if tu can see something that relates to the now time and would be found say 50 o 100 years hace I wouldn't really like it. frozen is made for the time considering the whole "You can't marry a man tu just met" thing. Also Anna is a ball of awkwardness that say modern things like "I won't judge" and general being. The fact that it's CGI as well, tu wouldn't find that years hace and in the future it'll be outdated. anime eyes on the girls and not the boys is also a product of our time. All tu need to do is look at all Genie's jokes in aladdín and The way people speak and act in Hercules and tu can see why it's made for its time. References Thebes as 1990's New York. I'm just not a particular fan about that. Just as Your o our generation is for aladdín frozen will become that for the younger kids and some in my generation. And then in the siguiente 30 o so years when frozen is no longer "with it" there going to make another movie for the current time with better graphics and plot line o what have you. That's why I'm not interested in those.
Sk8er__grl commented…
Hmm, interesting. I can see where your coming from, really. A person can make the argument that neither is, "Snow white and the seven dwarves" because Snow gets married right away and waits for a prince and doesn't do anything feministy o whatever, yet the movie still stays with us and it's still marveled at for it's time. Time had gone by, and now disney is updating it to fit the now time. If disney went back and made SWTSD today it wouldn't be the box office success it was 70 years ago. So depending on how long disney stays the cine will change and look different and have different messages, but the people from those days can still look back to cine made today and still enjoy them and still amor them. In fact, if I was watching frozen in the future I'd probably like it más than I do today, I know it wouldn't be up to what we would have then but I'd still appreciate it and when it came out. I should of let somebody else take this debate, sorry, I don't think I worded it well.
22 hours ago
BelleRose829 commented…
Actually the classics to some extent are made for their time. However they are call "classic" for a reason, not of their terminology pertains to the time. Their aren't any Madelyne Monroe jokes, no "Well gee willikers bobby" phrases. Nothing that says we are taking something from what is popular today. The anime eyes and the "I don't judge" from Anna are sources from today's pop culture. Genie makes several jokes about old celebridades and even though I know who they are (thanks to older kids) I still don't understand the reference as I wasn't born in that time and I don't understand how it could be funny.
If say cenicienta made a reference to Gilagans island o quoted something from a black and white movie the majority of the world today wouldn't get it, o even understand it was a quote. Something that pertains to time is when it hasn't changed in centuries. The way women act HAS changed so tu can't really say that the way they act is from the time. However the way we speak HAS'NT changed, we still use formal literature, something like YOLO would be a product of the time. Even the humor of something can be a "now" thing. Like in enredados how Flynn says "I don't sing" but then they point their knives at him and he sings, that too can be lost to the future generation.
CGI, Big eyes and internet slang are from the current time. Even pawned Kristoff dicho about his sleigh "but I just paid it off" none of the classics make any reference to cars. Also how Anna says "foot size doesn't matter" and "all men do it" tu don't see the classics doing that because it's set in the time period of the movie (1300's for Sleeping Beauty ect.) Why would tu do anything that hints to the time it was made if tu want it to be classic. We don't ride in wagons anymore so if SnowWhite were to say "But I paid 16 whole shillings for that" we don't know what shillings are o that she actually didn't have to pay it slowly over time. In the siguiente 100 o so years I can assume we either won't being using cars o it'll be MUCH different. If tu put any modern references in the mouth of a classic DP tu can tell the difference and why one is classic and one is modern o revival o renaissance.
324anna commented…
I see what tu mean, but those things never bothered me in the movies, I dislike how they've made Anna and Rapunzel más modern though.
hajirah4 commented…
OH. We're getting DEEP here! :O This is a pretty awesome debate. I'm on BellRose's side, disney was a big competitor for... the cartoon that produced Betty Boop, (Warner Bros?) and their competitors weren't timeless, obviously. There were many adult jokes and extreme themes associated with them and the way disney beat their funny material was por making sure everything was classical- just like it came from a storybook. That's why we see Aurora being wakened up por the Phillip and not Tom and Jerry. That's what sets disney apart from, every other competitor it had. While a lot of it's cine were kind of giving in to the competitor bowl, the classics are remembered and treasured today because they're timeless. They never get old. Frozen, Despicable Me, Rio, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs? I don't think anyone will remember them. (I don't wanna be really harsh and say Brave, because it was a decent movie and did a great job at being timeless.
The story itself, wasn't that great imo.) And look at Wall-E, Up, Finding Nemo, Toy Story, Monsters Inc- everyone will remember them. And there were some sly modern jokes hidden amongst the ones I listed, but a fad will soon come to fade. Okay, where am I going with this? I'm not saying that aladdín won't be remembered, heck mulan is just growing from internet famous and the Black Cauldron has always stayed internet famous :( My point is, being timeless is what sets disney apart from Bluesky studious, Warner Bros, etc... frozen wouldn't even have to be classic for it to be a really huge hit like Toy Story, but when the story lacks depth and the modern jokes fill up for it, there's a problem. That's all I'm saying. I don't think that having modern jokes will make a movie forgettable in the future. I'm saying that an average story can get forgotten. Filler jokes only add in them. But look at ATLA. They're pretty modern, but aside, they have the 'normal' formula I was talking about.
MalloMar commented…
I really enjoyed lectura everyone's opinions on this topic. I agree with a lot of/most of what hajirah and BelleRose said. There are some cine that are made for a certain time period that I adore (Oliver & Company, A Goofy Movie, Aladdin), but the ones that aren't truly are classic. I actually think The Princess and the Frog was a pretty good effort toward "timelessness" Maybe I need to re-watch it, but I don't really remember anything that shouts "2000s"
dimitri_ commented…
I definitely see where you're coming and I do prefer timeless movies. Except if it just oozes the 90s, so bias of me :P and the reasons aladdín and Hercules are considered classic is because they were in that hand-drawn area IMO.
BelleRose829 commented…
Yeah, basically there is the Museum of Modern Art in New York and there is the Louvre in Paris, the fact of the matter there are both master pieces in their own way, but one is más traditional and one is expressing what it is in the now. Both are great, I just prefer the Louvre something classic (SnowWhite), but others can still like MoMA (Tangled). They are products of their time and that can last for some time, but it's going to fade. People don't really understand older slang, for a reason they are trends, none of us wear 1940's poodle skirts because that was popular then, not now. There is a traditional way of being and it's sticking to a specific time period, jumping in and out of the setting isn't.
The way the way cine taken out of the time is ok this is the 1800's what was going on at this time? Ah right this this and this, oh let's throw in a modern joke about Michael Jackson. Even so they don't reference to famous actors in the 1800's because unless you're a history buff tu aren't going to get the joke. All the same I can apprieate modern movies, but it's very easy to see that they are made for their time i.e. The Lego Movie, Aladdin, A Goofy Movie, High School Musical, frozen ect.
And we had a little debate, I thought why not make it formal so I could see what the vast majority thinks. So leave your comentarios below. :3
Original post:
tu know I know some people dislike frozen because it's overrated, but I just don't like cine that are "made for their time" I like cine that strive to be classic. It's one of the main reasons I dislike Aladdin, Hercules, Frozen, and, though I like enredados more, that as well. I don't know, I just felt like I should say that.
That being the reason I disliked Frozen, some people thought that it was más timeless than what I was giving it credit for.
avatar_tla_fan commented…
I dislike frozen because of the story and the characters, although it is very overrated, that doesn't effect my decision as much.
Sk8er__grl commented…
Why is frozen and enredados only made for it's time? I understand Hercules and aladdín because of pop cultural references all over the place, but I think that disney was trying to make frozen and enredados to last for a while. And cine like aladdín did last a long time with a big fan base so. I don't now I'm probably way off.
misscindyspice commented…
Agree with Sk8er :3
KataraLover commented…
aladdín is actually considered a timeless classic, I think Hercules is too but I'm not sure. I think frozen is just the product of the time. But enredados seems timeless to me.
BelleRose829 commented…
Pop culture references die after time moves on, frankly none of my little cousins get genies jokes. Hercules is a tad más timeless, but if tu can see something that relates to the now time and would be found say 50 o 100 years hace I wouldn't really like it. frozen is made for the time considering the whole "You can't marry a man tu just met" thing. Also Anna is a ball of awkwardness that say modern things like "I won't judge" and general being. The fact that it's CGI as well, tu wouldn't find that years hace and in the future it'll be outdated. anime eyes on the girls and not the boys is also a product of our time. All tu need to do is look at all Genie's jokes in aladdín and The way people speak and act in Hercules and tu can see why it's made for its time. References Thebes as 1990's New York. I'm just not a particular fan about that. Just as Your o our generation is for aladdín frozen will become that for the younger kids and some in my generation. And then in the siguiente 30 o so years when frozen is no longer "with it" there going to make another movie for the current time with better graphics and plot line o what have you. That's why I'm not interested in those.
Sk8er__grl commented…
Hmm, interesting. I can see where your coming from, really. A person can make the argument that neither is, "Snow white and the seven dwarves" because Snow gets married right away and waits for a prince and doesn't do anything feministy o whatever, yet the movie still stays with us and it's still marveled at for it's time. Time had gone by, and now disney is updating it to fit the now time. If disney went back and made SWTSD today it wouldn't be the box office success it was 70 years ago. So depending on how long disney stays the cine will change and look different and have different messages, but the people from those days can still look back to cine made today and still enjoy them and still amor them. In fact, if I was watching frozen in the future I'd probably like it más than I do today, I know it wouldn't be up to what we would have then but I'd still appreciate it and when it came out. I should of let somebody else take this debate, sorry, I don't think I worded it well.
22 hours ago
BelleRose829 commented…
Actually the classics to some extent are made for their time. However they are call "classic" for a reason, not of their terminology pertains to the time. Their aren't any Madelyne Monroe jokes, no "Well gee willikers bobby" phrases. Nothing that says we are taking something from what is popular today. The anime eyes and the "I don't judge" from Anna are sources from today's pop culture. Genie makes several jokes about old celebridades and even though I know who they are (thanks to older kids) I still don't understand the reference as I wasn't born in that time and I don't understand how it could be funny.
If say cenicienta made a reference to Gilagans island o quoted something from a black and white movie the majority of the world today wouldn't get it, o even understand it was a quote. Something that pertains to time is when it hasn't changed in centuries. The way women act HAS changed so tu can't really say that the way they act is from the time. However the way we speak HAS'NT changed, we still use formal literature, something like YOLO would be a product of the time. Even the humor of something can be a "now" thing. Like in enredados how Flynn says "I don't sing" but then they point their knives at him and he sings, that too can be lost to the future generation.
CGI, Big eyes and internet slang are from the current time. Even pawned Kristoff dicho about his sleigh "but I just paid it off" none of the classics make any reference to cars. Also how Anna says "foot size doesn't matter" and "all men do it" tu don't see the classics doing that because it's set in the time period of the movie (1300's for Sleeping Beauty ect.) Why would tu do anything that hints to the time it was made if tu want it to be classic. We don't ride in wagons anymore so if SnowWhite were to say "But I paid 16 whole shillings for that" we don't know what shillings are o that she actually didn't have to pay it slowly over time. In the siguiente 100 o so years I can assume we either won't being using cars o it'll be MUCH different. If tu put any modern references in the mouth of a classic DP tu can tell the difference and why one is classic and one is modern o revival o renaissance.
324anna commented…
I see what tu mean, but those things never bothered me in the movies, I dislike how they've made Anna and Rapunzel más modern though.
hajirah4 commented…
OH. We're getting DEEP here! :O This is a pretty awesome debate. I'm on BellRose's side, disney was a big competitor for... the cartoon that produced Betty Boop, (Warner Bros?) and their competitors weren't timeless, obviously. There were many adult jokes and extreme themes associated with them and the way disney beat their funny material was por making sure everything was classical- just like it came from a storybook. That's why we see Aurora being wakened up por the Phillip and not Tom and Jerry. That's what sets disney apart from, every other competitor it had. While a lot of it's cine were kind of giving in to the competitor bowl, the classics are remembered and treasured today because they're timeless. They never get old. Frozen, Despicable Me, Rio, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs? I don't think anyone will remember them. (I don't wanna be really harsh and say Brave, because it was a decent movie and did a great job at being timeless.
The story itself, wasn't that great imo.) And look at Wall-E, Up, Finding Nemo, Toy Story, Monsters Inc- everyone will remember them. And there were some sly modern jokes hidden amongst the ones I listed, but a fad will soon come to fade. Okay, where am I going with this? I'm not saying that aladdín won't be remembered, heck mulan is just growing from internet famous and the Black Cauldron has always stayed internet famous :( My point is, being timeless is what sets disney apart from Bluesky studious, Warner Bros, etc... frozen wouldn't even have to be classic for it to be a really huge hit like Toy Story, but when the story lacks depth and the modern jokes fill up for it, there's a problem. That's all I'm saying. I don't think that having modern jokes will make a movie forgettable in the future. I'm saying that an average story can get forgotten. Filler jokes only add in them. But look at ATLA. They're pretty modern, but aside, they have the 'normal' formula I was talking about.
MalloMar commented…
I really enjoyed lectura everyone's opinions on this topic. I agree with a lot of/most of what hajirah and BelleRose said. There are some cine that are made for a certain time period that I adore (Oliver & Company, A Goofy Movie, Aladdin), but the ones that aren't truly are classic. I actually think The Princess and the Frog was a pretty good effort toward "timelessness" Maybe I need to re-watch it, but I don't really remember anything that shouts "2000s"
dimitri_ commented…
I definitely see where you're coming and I do prefer timeless movies. Except if it just oozes the 90s, so bias of me :P and the reasons aladdín and Hercules are considered classic is because they were in that hand-drawn area IMO.
BelleRose829 commented…
Yeah, basically there is the Museum of Modern Art in New York and there is the Louvre in Paris, the fact of the matter there are both master pieces in their own way, but one is más traditional and one is expressing what it is in the now. Both are great, I just prefer the Louvre something classic (SnowWhite), but others can still like MoMA (Tangled). They are products of their time and that can last for some time, but it's going to fade. People don't really understand older slang, for a reason they are trends, none of us wear 1940's poodle skirts because that was popular then, not now. There is a traditional way of being and it's sticking to a specific time period, jumping in and out of the setting isn't.
The way the way cine taken out of the time is ok this is the 1800's what was going on at this time? Ah right this this and this, oh let's throw in a modern joke about Michael Jackson. Even so they don't reference to famous actors in the 1800's because unless you're a history buff tu aren't going to get the joke. All the same I can apprieate modern movies, but it's very easy to see that they are made for their time i.e. The Lego Movie, Aladdin, A Goofy Movie, High School Musical, frozen ect.
And we had a little debate, I thought why not make it formal so I could see what the vast majority thinks. So leave your comentarios below. :3
