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posted by FloCircle
The Fidelius Charm is a powerful charm that is central to the Harry Potter tale. In Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Professor Flitwick tells us the charm is:

"an immensely complex spell ... involving the magical concealment of a secret inside a living soul. The information is hidden inside the chosen person, o Secret-Keeper, and is henceforth impossible to find -- unless, of course, the Secret-Keeper chooses to divulge it." (PoA pg 205/152)

J.K. Rowling gave us further information on the how the Fidelius Charm works. In a preguntas frecuentes encuesta on her official site, she says:

When a Secret-Keeper dies, their secret dies with them, or, to put it another way, the status of their secret will remain as it was at the moment of their death. Everybody in whom they confided will continue to know the hidden information, but nobody else. (JKRowling.com)

So, although Flitwick describes it as "complex", J.K's descripción is seemingly straightforward, the information is concealed within the Secret-Keepers soul, and there it stays for an eternity, unless the Secret-Keeper chooses to communicate the knowledge. But is that the whole story? No.

The house at Godric's Hollow, 12 Grimmauld Place, and Shell Cottage are three properties that are protected por the Fidelius Charm, three properties that have been secured against Voldemort and his Death Eaters. But within each property we see differences in the way the Fidelius Charm works.

We are told Peter Pettigrew, por virtue of the charm cast por either Lily o James, was the Secret-Keeper for the Potter's inicial in Godric's Hollow. But in the final book, Deathly Hallows, J.K. establishes how and why that secret is no longer kept:

"Harry --" "Look... Look at it, Hermione ..." "I don't ... oh!" He could see it; the Fidelius Charm must have died with James and Lily. (DH 331/271)

We have been told por both Flitwick and J.K. herself directly that the Fidelius Charm has a life span irrespective of the Secret-Keeper, that "the secret dies with them". But here in Deathly Hallows is an example where that's not true, in this case, the Secret-Keeper (Pettigrew) is still alive, but the secret has, nevertheless, been revealed to the world. And J.K. tells us through Harry's narration that the reason the Fidelius Charm was broken was because the spell caster (James o Lily), NOT the Secret-Keeper, had died. Is this a mistake in the books? Maybe not.

This seemingly contradiction leads us siguiente to the headquarters for the Order of the Phoenix, 12 Grimmauld Place, and a whole host of new questions.

We are first told por Sirius in Order of the Phoenix about the Fidelius Charm on 12 Grimmauld Place, when he tells Harry:

"Dumbledore's Secret-Keeper for the Order, tu know -- nobody can find Headquarters unless he tells them personally where it is" (OotP 115/107)

Dumbledore is Secret-Keeper, but who cast the charm? I think it is generally assumed that Dumbledore himself cast the charm, but this cannot be so, because if tu follow the above example the spell only breaks upon the death of the caster, we see now that the location of 12 Grimmauld Place is still protected after Dumbledore's death.

It seems a logical conclusion is that Severus Snape could have been the caster, as it has to be someone still alive after Dumbledore wasn't. This is just another example of how deeply Dumbledore trusted Snape, to have dado him such a powerful position in the secret of the headquarters of the Order.


OK. So now, because of how it is described why Harry and Hermione can see the remains of the house at Godric's Hollow, we have a new understanding of the complexity of the Fidelius Charm. So, J.K.'s descripción of the charm should really have been:

When a Secret-Keeper dies, their secret dies with them. Everybody in whom they confided will continue to know the hidden information, but nobody else. UNTIL the spell caster dies, then the secret is revealed to everyone.

But wait, the spell gets even más complex. In Deathly Hallows, we learn why the Burrow has replaced 12 Grimmauld Place as the headquarters of the Order:

Mr. Weasley had explained that after the death of Dumbledore, their Secret-Keeper, each of the people to whom Dumbledore had confided Grimmauld Place's location had become a Secret-Keeper in turn. "And as there are around 20 of us, that greatly dilutes the power of the Fidelius Charm." (DH 90/79)

So, was it a mistake to tell so many people the secret of 12 Grimmauld Place? It would be unavoidable, everyone who was in the Order and had to go there would have to know. Does this infer that Dumbledore knew the spell would eventually be very diluted, and so therefore only intended that the building be the headquarters of the Order for a short time?

We must ammend the original descripción yet again:

When a Secret-Keeper dies, their secret dies with them. Everybody in whom they confided will continue to know the hidden information, but nobody else. UNLESS the Secret-Keeper dies, then all those who know the secret become Secret-Keepers. UNTIL the spell caster dies, then the secret is revealed to everyone.

In Deathly Hallows, we learn about another complexity of the charm, and why it's so tricky to use. After their escape from the Ministry, Hermione says:

"As we Disapparated, Yaxley caught hold of me ... we arrived at Grimmauld Place ... I've already taken him inside the Fidelius Charm's protection. Since Dumbledore died, we're Secret-Keepers, so I've dado him the secret, haven't I?" There was no pretending; Harry was sure she was right. It was a serious blow. If Yaxley could now get inside the house, there was no way that they could return. Even now he could be bringing other Death Eaters in there por Apparition (DH 270/223)

When Hermione inadvertently revealed the secret to Yaxley, since she was a Secret-Keeper, she has dado him the secret. So, as we can see now, for the Fidelius Charm to be effective, both the caster and the Secret-Keeper must remain alive, and the Secret-Keeper needs to give out the information necessary with extreme caution -- one mistake will cost both the Secret-Keeper's life and lead to the revelation of the secret.

And this uncovers another big flaw in how the Fidelius Charm works. If tu know the secret of a hidden place, tu can bring in someone else who doesn't know the secret, if tu bring them in using side-along apparition.

So the charm has huge flaws -- but what about its complexity? How difficult a charm is it to cast, and how long does it take? How does it take effect? Does the property simply vanish into thin air, concealed as Grimmauld Place is in nothingness? Who can see it the moment the charm is done -- are tu exempt if tu are within the boundaries?

Trapped in the dungeon of Malfoy Mansion, Harry tells Dobby:

"Right. Dobby, I want tu to grab Luna, Dean, and Mr. Ollivander, and take them -- take them to --" "Bill and Fleur's," dicho Ron. "Shell Cottage on the outskirts of Tinworth!" (DH 468/379)

And Dobby obviously finds Shell Cottage, as we see Luna, Dean and Mr. Ollivander had made it there. A little later, Harry and Dobby, who had returned to the Mansion, escape in the middle of the fierce battle to capture him. Harry grabs Dobby's hand and disapparates them both through the sheer power of his will to Shell Cottage.

Back at the cottage, after Harry buried Dobby, Bill tells Harry:

"...The Death Eater's know Ron's with tu now, they're bound to target the family" ... "How are they protected?" asked Harry. "Fidelius Charm. Dad's Secret-Keeper. And we've done it on this cottage too; I'm Secret-Keeper here." (DH 482/390)

Dobby found Shell Cottage the first time on his own, so it couldn't have had the Fidelius charm on it at that point. It couldn't have been added in the time between Dobby's first trip and when Harry brought Dobby back there, because even if Dobby had been told the secret, he didn't have time to tell it to Harry, and Harry found Shell Cottage all on his own, so it couldn't have had the Fidelius Charm on it then either. So, these new Fidelius Charms must have been added between the time that Harry arrived at Shell Cottage, and when he returned to it after burying Dobby.

But, this means that if tu are within sight of the protected area before the charm is cast, tu don't need to be let in on the secret, because we have now pinned down when the Fidelius Charm must have been placed on Shell Cottage, during the time Harry was off burying Dobby, HOWEVER, he did NOT need to be told the secret to return to the cottage. He just turned back to it and it was still there.

So, let's fully restate it one más time, with everything we know:

When a Secret-Keeper dies, their secret dies with them. Everybody in whom they confided will continue to know the hidden information, but nobody else. EXCEPT if tu are within the premises of the protected area when the spell is cast, tu do not need to be told the secret. AND if tu know a secret place, tu can bring someone who doesn't know the secret into the hidden place using side-along apparition. UNLESS the Secret-Keeper dies, then all those who know the secret become Secret-Keepers. UNTIL the spell caster dies, then the secret is revealed to everyone.

Knowing what we know now from the information in the books, this leads us to dark and ominous preguntas such as:

Would the Potters really had been any safer if Sirius Black had indeed been the Secret-Keeper? At some point would he have only had to tell Peter Pettigrew for Pettigrew to sell Sirius to Voldemort, in order for Sirius to die, and make Pettigrew a Secret-Keeper por default.

And, if Bathilda Bagshot had wandered into the garden of the Potter's inicial just as the Fidelius Charm was performed, would she too, like how Harry saw Shell Cottage, be able to continue to see the house and its residents without having been told the newly formed secret? Would she have kept the secret, even under the Imperius curse?

The flaws, the discrepancies, and in some ways, the reliance on mere chance, leads to the unnerving conclusion that if the Fidelius Charm really was the Potter's best chance of survival, then perhaps it was always only just a matter of time before Voldemort got to them, no matter who had been chosen as Secret-Keeper. If Sirius had lived, could perhaps this realization have lessened the guilt he felt for feeling responsible for James and Lily's death?

It would seem that the Fidelius Charm, on closer inspection, is not the powerful security measure that we were led to believe it was.
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As I sit on the rough steps in this cold winters día waiting for my father to tell me to come inside. I know he will eventually but I want to stay alone, facing him time and time again is torture! Around me is the black mansion which is where I live in and surrounding it is snow and naked branches as the leaves has fallen out in comparison to its season. With a flick of my cold black wand a corazón appears in the snow, I don’t care about the rules of magic anymore. Then the thought of her face appears in my head and affection rises in my chest, my eyes are feeling hot and my face is turning red. I feel a tear run down my face but it’s not cooling my face down in any way. With another flick of my wand the corazón turns black and a crack through the middle breaks it apart and I’m running.
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posted by peppergirl30
Lily's POV

It's no secret that when Hugo left again, I was the first one to break down. I cried, and screamed for him to come back.. and he never did. But he will someday, I know he will. Hugo would never let me down. We're best friends, Hugo and I. Everything will be okay in the end.


That time is coming soon.
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Rose's POV

All of us crowd por Hugo's bed, but with the major size of us we all have to back up to give Hugo personal space. He sits up, looks at us, and speaks.

''What are tu doing here?''

''To visit of course,'' Lily mumbles. ''Would you...
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posted by tomfelton123
When i was about 8 o 9 years old,i saw harry potter and the philosophers stone...and im an indian..(for which im proud of) so i cant understand that english accent...so i found it difficult to understand the story..lyk who was voldemort,who was dumbledore etc.., i have even seen chamber of secrets and prisoner of azkaban at the same age...! So i dint really enjoy it...but then this year..im 14 i had a school assignment of film review and i selected harry potter! I chose the first part since i didnt really understand the other two parts! But then i thought of watching the rest of harry potter...
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the things i have learnet from harry potter, for example:
"'people who wants auothorty are the people who do not deserve it.but, people who did not want the auothorty and had to be leaders.but, the found theirselves good to be leadres.''
when someone asks me about what i want to be in the future.i answer him/her this;
''the most impotant thing is whatever i will be. it would be something useful for my country and for myself''.
if someone read haary potter series before he/she would understanad what am i saying. the last thing i would like to say is thank tu harry potter for every thing tu have taught me
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Chapter 9

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“It was the only thing I could think off,...
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posted by tigergirl100
here is a lista of weasleys wizard wheezes

Pygmy Puffs

Pygmy Paint

Pet Rock

Shield capa

Shield Gloves

Daydream Charms

SuLices

Self-Sufficient Candles

Self-Sufficient Lantern

Headless Hats

Ever-Bashing Boomerangs

Reusable Hangman

Basic Blaze Box

Self-Shuffling Playing Cards

Instant Darkness Powder

Skiving Snackbox

Ton Tongue Toffees

Dragonbombs

Fake Wands

Screaming Yo-Yo

U-No-Poo

Extendible Ears

Half Price Joke libros

Canary Cream Custards

Muggle Magic Tricks

Portable Swamp

Edible Dark Marks

Potter Specs

Potter Scar

BumblingBaby Binkies

BumblingBaby Bottles

BumblingBaby Blankies

Sludge Sauce

Farcical Foam

Foul Fowl

Bubble Ducky

WonderWitch amor Potion #10

WonderWitch Morphing Goop

WonderWitch Pimple Vanisher

Punching Spyglass

Deflagration Deluxe

Grow Your Own Warts Kit

Decoy Detonator

Trick Toothbrushes

Weasley Quills

Grow Your Own Furniture Kit

Instant Irish Accent Breath Spray
posted by simpleplan
This is kind of like a song version on Neville's speech in DH part 2. I do not have a clue what I wrote it but I hope tu enjoy it.




Hold up your glasses it’s over and done
We fought and we fell but that not good enough
People die every día but we can’t let them die in vain
We try to keep moving, we try to keep fighting
Just one más step closer to the ending
If we mess it up give it one más tries
There just no game over were done
At least not tell we have won
We can lose everything
But that’s not going to stop us now
We can’t just walk away from the crimes that tu done
Voldemort tu going down
And way tu can stop us
tu can’t break us down