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posted by FloCircle
The Fidelius Charm is a powerful charm that is central to the Harry Potter tale. In Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Professor Flitwick tells us the charm is:

"an immensely complex spell ... involving the magical concealment of a secret inside a living soul. The information is hidden inside the chosen person, o Secret-Keeper, and is henceforth impossible to find -- unless, of course, the Secret-Keeper chooses to divulge it." (PoA pg 205/152)

J.K. Rowling gave us further information on the how the Fidelius Charm works. In a preguntas frecuentes encuesta on her official site, she says:

When a Secret-Keeper dies, their secret dies with them, or, to put it another way, the status of their secret will remain as it was at the moment of their death. Everybody in whom they confided will continue to know the hidden information, but nobody else. (JKRowling.com)

So, although Flitwick describes it as "complex", J.K's descripción is seemingly straightforward, the information is concealed within the Secret-Keepers soul, and there it stays for an eternity, unless the Secret-Keeper chooses to communicate the knowledge. But is that the whole story? No.

The house at Godric's Hollow, 12 Grimmauld Place, and Shell Cottage are three properties that are protected por the Fidelius Charm, three properties that have been secured against Voldemort and his Death Eaters. But within each property we see differences in the way the Fidelius Charm works.

We are told Peter Pettigrew, por virtue of the charm cast por either Lily o James, was the Secret-Keeper for the Potter's inicial in Godric's Hollow. But in the final book, Deathly Hallows, J.K. establishes how and why that secret is no longer kept:

"Harry --" "Look... Look at it, Hermione ..." "I don't ... oh!" He could see it; the Fidelius Charm must have died with James and Lily. (DH 331/271)

We have been told por both Flitwick and J.K. herself directly that the Fidelius Charm has a life span irrespective of the Secret-Keeper, that "the secret dies with them". But here in Deathly Hallows is an example where that's not true, in this case, the Secret-Keeper (Pettigrew) is still alive, but the secret has, nevertheless, been revealed to the world. And J.K. tells us through Harry's narration that the reason the Fidelius Charm was broken was because the spell caster (James o Lily), NOT the Secret-Keeper, had died. Is this a mistake in the books? Maybe not.

This seemingly contradiction leads us siguiente to the headquarters for the Order of the Phoenix, 12 Grimmauld Place, and a whole host of new questions.

We are first told por Sirius in Order of the Phoenix about the Fidelius Charm on 12 Grimmauld Place, when he tells Harry:

"Dumbledore's Secret-Keeper for the Order, tu know -- nobody can find Headquarters unless he tells them personally where it is" (OotP 115/107)

Dumbledore is Secret-Keeper, but who cast the charm? I think it is generally assumed that Dumbledore himself cast the charm, but this cannot be so, because if tu follow the above example the spell only breaks upon the death of the caster, we see now that the location of 12 Grimmauld Place is still protected after Dumbledore's death.

It seems a logical conclusion is that Severus Snape could have been the caster, as it has to be someone still alive after Dumbledore wasn't. This is just another example of how deeply Dumbledore trusted Snape, to have dado him such a powerful position in the secret of the headquarters of the Order.


OK. So now, because of how it is described why Harry and Hermione can see the remains of the house at Godric's Hollow, we have a new understanding of the complexity of the Fidelius Charm. So, J.K.'s descripción of the charm should really have been:

When a Secret-Keeper dies, their secret dies with them. Everybody in whom they confided will continue to know the hidden information, but nobody else. UNTIL the spell caster dies, then the secret is revealed to everyone.

But wait, the spell gets even más complex. In Deathly Hallows, we learn why the Burrow has replaced 12 Grimmauld Place as the headquarters of the Order:

Mr. Weasley had explained that after the death of Dumbledore, their Secret-Keeper, each of the people to whom Dumbledore had confided Grimmauld Place's location had become a Secret-Keeper in turn. "And as there are around 20 of us, that greatly dilutes the power of the Fidelius Charm." (DH 90/79)

So, was it a mistake to tell so many people the secret of 12 Grimmauld Place? It would be unavoidable, everyone who was in the Order and had to go there would have to know. Does this infer that Dumbledore knew the spell would eventually be very diluted, and so therefore only intended that the building be the headquarters of the Order for a short time?

We must ammend the original descripción yet again:

When a Secret-Keeper dies, their secret dies with them. Everybody in whom they confided will continue to know the hidden information, but nobody else. UNLESS the Secret-Keeper dies, then all those who know the secret become Secret-Keepers. UNTIL the spell caster dies, then the secret is revealed to everyone.

In Deathly Hallows, we learn about another complexity of the charm, and why it's so tricky to use. After their escape from the Ministry, Hermione says:

"As we Disapparated, Yaxley caught hold of me ... we arrived at Grimmauld Place ... I've already taken him inside the Fidelius Charm's protection. Since Dumbledore died, we're Secret-Keepers, so I've dado him the secret, haven't I?" There was no pretending; Harry was sure she was right. It was a serious blow. If Yaxley could now get inside the house, there was no way that they could return. Even now he could be bringing other Death Eaters in there por Apparition (DH 270/223)

When Hermione inadvertently revealed the secret to Yaxley, since she was a Secret-Keeper, she has dado him the secret. So, as we can see now, for the Fidelius Charm to be effective, both the caster and the Secret-Keeper must remain alive, and the Secret-Keeper needs to give out the information necessary with extreme caution -- one mistake will cost both the Secret-Keeper's life and lead to the revelation of the secret.

And this uncovers another big flaw in how the Fidelius Charm works. If tu know the secret of a hidden place, tu can bring in someone else who doesn't know the secret, if tu bring them in using side-along apparition.

So the charm has huge flaws -- but what about its complexity? How difficult a charm is it to cast, and how long does it take? How does it take effect? Does the property simply vanish into thin air, concealed as Grimmauld Place is in nothingness? Who can see it the moment the charm is done -- are tu exempt if tu are within the boundaries?

Trapped in the dungeon of Malfoy Mansion, Harry tells Dobby:

"Right. Dobby, I want tu to grab Luna, Dean, and Mr. Ollivander, and take them -- take them to --" "Bill and Fleur's," dicho Ron. "Shell Cottage on the outskirts of Tinworth!" (DH 468/379)

And Dobby obviously finds Shell Cottage, as we see Luna, Dean and Mr. Ollivander had made it there. A little later, Harry and Dobby, who had returned to the Mansion, escape in the middle of the fierce battle to capture him. Harry grabs Dobby's hand and disapparates them both through the sheer power of his will to Shell Cottage.

Back at the cottage, after Harry buried Dobby, Bill tells Harry:

"...The Death Eater's know Ron's with tu now, they're bound to target the family" ... "How are they protected?" asked Harry. "Fidelius Charm. Dad's Secret-Keeper. And we've done it on this cottage too; I'm Secret-Keeper here." (DH 482/390)

Dobby found Shell Cottage the first time on his own, so it couldn't have had the Fidelius charm on it at that point. It couldn't have been added in the time between Dobby's first trip and when Harry brought Dobby back there, because even if Dobby had been told the secret, he didn't have time to tell it to Harry, and Harry found Shell Cottage all on his own, so it couldn't have had the Fidelius Charm on it then either. So, these new Fidelius Charms must have been added between the time that Harry arrived at Shell Cottage, and when he returned to it after burying Dobby.

But, this means that if tu are within sight of the protected area before the charm is cast, tu don't need to be let in on the secret, because we have now pinned down when the Fidelius Charm must have been placed on Shell Cottage, during the time Harry was off burying Dobby, HOWEVER, he did NOT need to be told the secret to return to the cottage. He just turned back to it and it was still there.

So, let's fully restate it one más time, with everything we know:

When a Secret-Keeper dies, their secret dies with them. Everybody in whom they confided will continue to know the hidden information, but nobody else. EXCEPT if tu are within the premises of the protected area when the spell is cast, tu do not need to be told the secret. AND if tu know a secret place, tu can bring someone who doesn't know the secret into the hidden place using side-along apparition. UNLESS the Secret-Keeper dies, then all those who know the secret become Secret-Keepers. UNTIL the spell caster dies, then the secret is revealed to everyone.

Knowing what we know now from the information in the books, this leads us to dark and ominous preguntas such as:

Would the Potters really had been any safer if Sirius Black had indeed been the Secret-Keeper? At some point would he have only had to tell Peter Pettigrew for Pettigrew to sell Sirius to Voldemort, in order for Sirius to die, and make Pettigrew a Secret-Keeper por default.

And, if Bathilda Bagshot had wandered into the garden of the Potter's inicial just as the Fidelius Charm was performed, would she too, like how Harry saw Shell Cottage, be able to continue to see the house and its residents without having been told the newly formed secret? Would she have kept the secret, even under the Imperius curse?

The flaws, the discrepancies, and in some ways, the reliance on mere chance, leads to the unnerving conclusion that if the Fidelius Charm really was the Potter's best chance of survival, then perhaps it was always only just a matter of time before Voldemort got to them, no matter who had been chosen as Secret-Keeper. If Sirius had lived, could perhaps this realization have lessened the guilt he felt for feeling responsible for James and Lily's death?

It would seem that the Fidelius Charm, on closer inspection, is not the powerful security measure that we were led to believe it was.
posted by LifesGoodx3
 tonks and her husband, Remus Lupin,
Tonks and her husband, Remus Lupin,
Nymphadora Tonks, better known as simply "Tonks", was killed on May 2nd, 1998, in the Battle of Hogwarts. She was battling alongside her husband, Remus Lupin.

Tonks is the daughter of Andromeda Tonks, formerly Black. Her mother had gotten away from her families ways. She was not a Death Eater and she did not believe in blood-purity; tonks took after her mother in that way.

The first time we see tonks she is helping to safely mover Harry from the Dursleys house to 12 Grimmauld Place. That night she risked her life, but it was all for the cause. tonks was both an auror and a member of the Order...
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Soo; me and a girl in a class of mine who is known to be a Twilight fan were at school, bored, and had finished our work. So we decided to have a little debate (we do this all the time) over e-mail:
Ps; "Raavenclaw" is clearly me, por the way. And I don't think she's that good at debating - not that I am - but she doesn't speak for all Twilight fans. A lot of people on here are much better.

From: "Raavenclaw"
Sent: 24 January 2011 12:56
To: "Aurora"
Subject: RE:

Aurora:
hi cant wait to write about edward hahaa jk x

Raavenclaw:
:) i amor neville, he's bamf x

Aurora:
wierdo.
edwards too sexy for his volvo...
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Sumamry: How exactly did Barty Crouch Jr. registrarse the Death Eaters in June 1981?
Main author: WolfAngel'JR at FanFiction.Net (bendaimmortal here).
Rating: PG13
Chapters: 2

Authors: WolfAngel'JR & DrRockter.
Voldemort is viewed and written por DrRockter and Barty Crouch Jr. is viewed and written por me, AngelJunior. This is our role-play game topic, which I fixed into a fanfic mostly form my Junior's point of view, translated it into English and changed the title. DrRockter doesn't have a pen name here. I have her permission to publicar this.
Disclaimer: We don't own the Harry Potter world, Barty Crouch...
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posted by JBDisneyDemi
Actually finishing it was the most remarkable feeling I've ever had... [I felt] euphoria, devastated... I was in a hotel room on my own, sobbing my corazón out. I downed half a bottle of champagne in one and went inicial with mascara all over my face.
J. K. Rowling
On finishing her seventh and last Harry Potter book, Harry Potter and the Deadly Hallows.

I sat and thought for four (delayed train) hours, and all the details bubbled up in my brain, and this scrawny, black-haired, bespectacled boy who didn't know he was a wizard became más and más real to me.
J. K. Rowling
How the Harry Potter tale came...
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A/N: I KNOW this is a Sue story, there's no need to point that out. This was written purely for the lolz.

Disclaimer: Is my name Joanne Rowling? Didn't think so.



The Slytherin Common Room quieted as Belle Perfetta entered. She was the object of all the boy's affections ever since she transfered from Beaxbatons. With her long white-blonde hair streaked elegantly with purple. Her eyes changed color with her mood, and now they were a jade green. Her pale skin glowed in the firelight. She was curvy but fit, and all the girls envied her.

One of the braver boys, Blaise Zabini she thought, stood up...
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posted by Dusty12345
Some Harry Potter fans might disagree with me, but... THE NEWEST MOVIE SUCKED!!!! Sorry to say this but it did. It was a lot shorter than all the others, there was almost no plot, and almost nothing happened the whole movie. All they accomplished in the movie was to find the initials of some guy. I hope the siguiente one does a lot better than that one. Although I suppose Dumbledore dying was an interesting thing that happened. The only good thing that came out of that movie was that it progressed the story. Other fans should agree with me, and if they don't it would surprise me. I am a long time Harry Potter fan. I have all the cine and I have seen all of them in the theaters, and I have all the books. I'm not saying I am no longer a Harry Potter fan o I don't look adelante, hacia adelante to the siguiente movie, but if tu haven't seen the movie stick to the book.
Soft Harry Potters fans will expierience:

1. tu will actually remember a few of the actual spells/curses/charms/hexes etc..

2. tu will propably almost always turn the conversation to Harry Potter.

3. tu would have named SOMETHING after a Harry Potter character/object.

4. Whenever Harry Potter is mentioned you'll listen straightaway!

Hardcore Harry Potter fans will expierience:

1. Whenever Harry Potter comes up in a conversation you'll feel as if they're talking about YOU.

2. tu will accidently call someone at SOME POINT a character in Harry Potter.

3. tu will propably name almost EVERYTHING after Harry Potter characters/objects

4. tu would have read the whole series más than three times. Ditto films.

5. tu can quote long passages off por heart.

So dahlings, see if tu have any of these symptons and you'll know wether your a fanatic o a just a plain fan. :)
posted by monsy38
“Take it…take it…”
    Snape struggled to give Harry the memories that explained what had happened, why he had had to do what he did. He held on as tightly as he could, trying to filter into Harry just how important it was for him to see them. Snape felt himself drifting. He knew that he was about to die, after all these years he would finally get his wish. For him, life had been fueled por the dream of Lily loving him as much as he did her. She had been his one true friend, and though she didn’t know it, his whole world. Severus knew that he wasn’t easily liked...
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posted by AliceCullen353
This is part two!!!
Hope tu enjoy!!!Its kinda long!I dont own harry potter!

Harry stood up and faced Voldemort.Tonks and Lupin stayed beside Siruis but the others formed a line behind Harry."The boy who lived Harry Poter!Time for tu to be finshed Potter",Lord Voldemort spat at Harry."I'm not dieing tonight Riddle.I have to much to live for"Harry replied.
"Look at him he can hardly stand and he has the cheek to insult the Dark Lord!Master may i have a hand in his killing?"Bellatrix asked hopefully.
"No tu may not.Potter is mine tu can have your choice from the others nobody touches Potter"...
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posted by AliceCullen353
Ok im going to type this off the parte superior, arriba of my head so if its bad don't have a hissy fit!!:P
I always wonder what would happen if Sirius didn't die so here goes nothing!!


It all happend so quickly.Harry was helping Nevile up when Harry saw Sirius and Bellatrix Lestrange.
She was winning laughing as ahe threw spells at him he faught back but was weak.Then she hit him with crucio.It hit him in the chest and he started to fall backwards into the arch way Lupin,Tonks,Mad eye and a few others all ran with Harry to stop Sirius falling his head and chest where in the archway but tu couldn't them at the...
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posted by vampiress015
I just have to say that this isn't really Twilight fan-fiction, nor Harry Potter for that matter. It's a mix. I noticed on fan-fiction.net that loads of people were escritura them, so I thought I'd give it a go myself. So, anyway, here it is:

Chapter One- The Essence of a Fan

'Edward, we amor you!'
'No, I amor him more'
'I swear on Jacob's life that I amor Edward más than you'
'How does that work? tu don't even like Jacob'
'Do too, I'm on Team Switzerland'
'Then tu can't amor Edward more- tu amor them both'
'Edward come back!'
Harry jumped out the way as two screaming girls flew past. His...
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posted by piperpayton22
ok woah the book was awesome i finished over the weekend there are so many things i want to know and one is a really big one is what made ahrry come bakc to life cuz i dont get that so and to the others that wrote things before the book came out they did a really good job on guessing like the person who dicho the scar was a horicinx cuz they were right so i also want to know who is victiore she is in the epigoue snogging teddy lupin so and the cousin of someone so oh and who killed the snake cuz harry told neville to do it if something bad happened and when voldy put the boddy nears his feet...
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To my fellow Gryffindor's

Hey! So even though Gryffindor was a very popular house in the cine and books, in real life most of the people aren't in Gryffindor. I don't know why that counts cool, but they wanna be "different" o choose Draco's side, Slytherin because they have a crush on him o somehow obsessed with him ( trust me, all the teenage girls I met are,)

As a Gryffindor, I sometimes feel very left out. tu can always find a Ravenclaw, Slytherin o Hufflepuff out there but only the 1 percent is Gryffindor. However, I learned to be proud of my house. I really am. If you're in Gryffindor,...
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1. Some más minor characters, such as Dobby, were only included in the films where their roles were pivotal. Others such as Peeves were excluded entirely. The development of minor relationships such as Tonks/Lupin and Bill/Fleur was cut.

2. The locations for Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione's first kisses were both altered in the films. Some smaller scenes between the couples were also changed o added in. Scenes such as Harry and Hermione dancing in Deathly Hallows were added to please their fans and to create más of an impression of a amor triangle.

3. Some characters' appearances didn't fully...
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