Not at all. I think the very fact that she possessed children was more than just creepy. It was scary and very disturbing. The things she made those kids do; if they did survive the possession would they remember? Would they ever be able to really recover? It's a horrible defilement for an adult; an even worse one for a child. Her tendency to possess children showed the level of Lilith's depravity in a very compelling way. I don't think I would've thought she was so scary or threatening if she'd just possessed adults like all the other demons do.

I think you could see the demon in her, but I still couldn't see the demon leader. Of course this is not the fault of the performance by the young actresses, but of the writing. Kripke has said that Lilith is supposedly very smart; other demons have referred to her as a "rising star" and a "real Pied Piper". Unfortunately so far I can't see exactly what it is about this particular demon that inspires other demons to want her as a leader. She talks and acts like a little girl even when she is in an adult body. She wastes her time killing family pets and terrorizing people into making her birthday cakes

When she terrorized that family she was on shore leave [it's not what she usually spends her time doing]. Plus that was more than likely a trap for Sam and Dean anyway. I think the very fact that even though she talks like a little girl, all the other demons fear her, says more about her power and the things she's done than anything else. She walked into a sheriff's department and took out several people with a wave of her hand. And then she proceeded to torture each one before destroying the place. And I'm sure that's a very small sample of what other demon's have seen her do.

And since I'm a little confused by your comment 'so far' and I'm not sure that you've seen Season 4, I'm giving you fair warning that the following is a SPOILER










During season 4, she's the one that led the demons through breaking seals and battles with angels. She's also the very first demon, created by Lucifer himself- a legend in her own right. I'm sure she wreaked havoc in Hell. And she's the one who sent Ruby to manipulate Sam into killing her and breaking the final seal. She played a very subtle and intelligent game and in the end...she won. So yeah I think she was an intimidating opponent and a great demon leader. Just because her every move wasn't broadcast on screen doesn't take away from her presence IMO. Azazel was a very behind the scenes villain too. They both were the kind to pull strings and make their puppets [human and demon alike] dance.

What fanfly said ;D

Keep in mind, even when Azazel didn't appear, we still felt his presence by Meg communicating with him through that goblet, and then in 'Croatoan' we also saw him communicating with another demon. When Sam and Dean meet those psychic kids, one of them has a 'collection of yellow eyes'; there are cow mutilations, electrical storms. And taken that he appears in flash-backs and time-travel episodes as well (as well as those yellow eyes that appear on Sam as a child, his mother in the Heaven), he really IS a presence in the entire series.


Lilith was just one of many Hell forgotten soldiers. She was referenced many times throughout S3-S4 but she stayed in the background while her minions carried out her dirty work. I dunno she just pales in comparison to a villian like Alastair who didn't get much screentime but got his hands dirty even though he had minions too

I actually would have preferred it if Lilith had only used little girls as meat suits. I can understand why Kripke & Co. didn't want to break the taboo of killing a child on TV, but, IMHO, it would have made the season 4 finale a lot more memorable and dramatic.

Here's what I don't get, though: If Lilith really did plan the whole thing, even that Sam would eventually kill her in the end, then why did she try to kill him and make a deal with the Winchesters to stop the breaking of the seals and thus save her own life? She obviously knew that freeing Lucifer would mean her own death, but she didn't seem willing to sacrifice herself, so why even start breaking the seals? That just doesn't make any sense to me.

Other than that, I agree with TangoThang. Lilith was underdeveloped as a character and didn't come off as the threat she was made out to be.

Josch that is a execellent point if she came in the image as the fremont girl and taunted Sam he be tempted but I don't think he could bring himself to do it because it be a child and it would actually make Lilith clever of a villain because she would know Sam wouldn't do the greatest evil of all which is a kill child and she could walk out alive

I found her even more scary and creepy when she was a kid then when she was an adult