not gonna lie, the collages for both are nice. but ya can't argue with finname.

♥ It will always be in my heart ♥

^indeed

i prefer the one that has more of a chance of being canon at the show's end

also finnceline is my second favourite marceline ship so thats. yeah

^what's you favorite marceline ship?

bubbline

hate me all you want (because i know you're going to; a lot of people garner hate for bubbline supporters just because of their ship) but man it just makes me happy
like warm feeling in the heart happy
and considering how rare that tends to be for me, the ship is super special


also one of my first episodes was what was missing and i tend to look into subtext a lot H aha

^i pretty much saw that one coming, there really is no other marceline ship besides it, (not including the Finnceline)
bubbline is the most divisive piece of shit in the entire fanbase, it has done nothing good for the show to exist or the fans or to friendships. and subtext doesn't always exist where people say they "saw it", i think people wanted the ship to exist so bad they made that episode into more than it was. i don't hate you though, i have nothing against the shippers, i only am against the concept/ship. i just find that your shipping of Bubbline is delusional and bubbline itself is completely retarded and a hinder to Adventure time... it's creation was on baseless analysis and reasoning by over-imaginary shippers who wanted, and still want, the ship to exist. it can make you as happy as you want, it's still shit.

Obviously, u can't beat finname becuz it's like the most AWESHUM combo eva!!!!! Gotta agree with TFF :)

hey you know what you could maybe do

not call things that have nothing to do with learning difficulties retarded because thats ableist and much grosser than any bubbline related thing will ever be
because ableism is super gross

and the relationship between the two characters is pretty important??? whether you see their relationship as platonic or romantic, there's no denying that pb getting hambo back could be a huge plot point later on, and it means a lot for marceline's growth as a character

subtext is taken however the audience sees it. to paraphrase jesse moyns, "the artist doesnt have much say in what a piece of work means. it's how the the audience perceives it and reacts to it that forms the meaning. in the end, it's all down to interpretation and nothing is right or wrong until proven otherwise"

again paraphrasing since i cant remember the exact quote but thats pretty??? i think he said that in response to bubbline too iirc (granted i could be wrong and it might just be the context in which i first heard the quote)
also like i said, i was new to the show and getting used to the characters and not really noticing details. me noticing subtext wasn't so much me "wanting the ship to exist so bad," since i'd never really thought about it before, but i just noticed "oh look bubblegums most prized possession is a shirt marcy gave her thats cute and unexpected haha that sounds like a girlfriend thing"

also as someone whos mind works very similar to pb's (in terms of logical thinking; i tend to question things a lot and overthink which she also doeeees. and we also seem to have similar policies about emotion), i would never sniff (see: inhale violently) any shirt that wasnt from someone i found super attractive, so i assume pb would have something similar to that
and you cant tell me having a picture of her and marcy in the closet wasnt a silly little visual pun, because the at team absolutely loves those and kids wouldnt be very likely to get it

no, it's not canon and it possibly never will be. but the subtext exists (unlike what youre saying) and it exists enough to make people whove never considered be like "hey yeah that could be a possibility"
case in point me


ive studied creative writing and psychology since i was 5 so i do have some kind of basis for my picking up of subtext

and hey at least its not simon x marceline because they have a canon father/daughter relationship and thats a lot worse than bubbline

^Um I'm pretty sure PB got Hambo back so her and Marceline could just get the glob out of there and to learn to be a better friend I don't see how its so serious.

no, there was some serious emotion in getting hambo back

it was outright said that the shirt she traded for him had more sentimental value which i did not expect to be the case by any means. she wouldnt have been so serious when she was just around maja if she just wanted to get hambo back to shut marceline up.
hell when she was by herself, she even seemed kind of upset about the purchase

and are we just forgetting that hambo is the last thing marcy has of simon and that his existence in itself is important, even without the whole sky witch thing or

^^^and just like the bubbline, i saw that one coming. hard not to. X3

and really? bringing an irrelevant charge of "ableism" into the debate? come on, it's sad that that's the first thing you use to charge me as being a "super gross" person, which is a baseless accusation and attempt at discrediting. learn slang: "Slang. stupid or foolish." ~slang definition.
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and the relationship between two characters is important, but not at all on this level and, in this case, is better left as "friendship" then "lesbian coupling". we are getting too hypothetical with the "huge plot point" at this moment in time, Marceline seemed indifferent to Bubblegum, after all of it, she was only focused on Hambo, nothing else and only came to Bubblegum out of desperation for her Hambo. this showed very little character development in Marceline.

"subtext is taken however the audience sees it" this really helped prove my point of "opinionated" creation of bubbline and the discrediting of the "subtext" evidence, but it is true that neither of us can be 100% on anything until a formal and decisive action/choice is made by the cast and crew. so far all they're doing is teasing and dismissing bubbline in order to keep the fans around. my subtext evidence of riv

i've watched the series from the beginning to the present, "What Was Missing" included, and i only found out about the bubbliner's drawing support from it after i got online hours after it premiered. i found nothing in it that suggested it except a shirt possession by bubblegum. i found that really bad evidence to draw on, especially since it only just then became a relevant thing, hasn't shown up in any episode prior, nor was ever mentioned or given cred. it then wasn't seen till seasons later in sky witch, if the Pajama t shirt was such a relevant and important thing then why did it get only two episodes? not even a little cameo in any of the other episodes, even the ones that involve nighttime (pajama time...)

as for the smelling of the pajamas upon waking up... i do that too, not because i love the person who gave them to me (although i do love the pajamas... purple silk ^-^ so nice), but because i'm checking to see if they're good to go for another night of sleep or if i should wash'm. people also smell they're armpits when waking up... has nothing to do with love... well... unless you love axe, i mean, if you put it on that is or are in a commercial. and my sister has tons of pictures of her and her friends in her room, closet include, doesn't mean she's in love with them just because they are in a photo with her and she hung it in the closet.

and subtext will never be a provable or reliable defense of the claim, i'm just as good at subtext as you are, the difference is how we interpret it. facts of solely perception and opinion are not going to get any progressive response from an intellectual with opposing views.

Bubbline also has another issue, Fubblegum, which, unlike Bubbline, is not based in only subtext and even got it's moment in the lime light in earlier seasons and even "subtext" in more current seasons. but we will not count the subtext out of relevance's sake.

SimonXMarcy, is, by far, more delusional and "crack ship" than bubbline, but it is nowhere nears as harmful as bubbline in the community of fans... bubbline has dealt the most damage to the friendships and structure of the fanbase of Adventure time than any other ship. and this claim is not just speculation, it's fact. just on this little site, there has been tremendous amounts of hostility on both sides. Bubbline effectively divided the community and turned friend against friend. it is not something that brings joy to the community. even the people who like it end up suffering because of it. the people who like it end up being hurt in the arguments with those who don't, which, in turn, leaves no joy, but bitterness and resentment.

once the confrontation ends, it doesn't matter who started it, cause both sides point baseless fingers at each other.

^^hambo meant a lot to Marceline, PB on the other hand, didn't. marceline disregarded her at almost ever step of the way, even threatening to hit her if she didn't help.

ohhhhh boy di dy ou just

first of all i called ableism super gross not you gj misreading that
and??? disregarding the fact im p sure stupid started off as something like retarded, thats. still not okay???? the context of the word doesnt really matter when just seeing it can make a lot of people have actual panic attacks. slang isnt really a valid argument, because saying "its just slang" doesnt make saying the n word or f slur okay to say. when you're using something which means "below average intellegence" to say something's bad, then thats absolutely not okay. it might be different if you were reclaiming it, but you're not. (as far as i can tell??)

if ive seen anime roleplayers call people out on this, then there's really not much question about it because anime roleplayers tend to not understand boundaries and what's not okay to say.

i see your point with this, and i really dont have anything to say to it because i woke up way too late and i just got over a thing. if i was in better mental condition im sure i could think of something, but i cant. but i never claimed any of that stuff wasnt true so w/e

"dismissing bubbline in order to keep the fans around" something about that sounds like you're calling bubbline fans not real adventure time fans but i could be misreading it; context gets lost easily in text
but as ive said many times with the example of me watching wwm, its not "opinionated"; it's something that people have genuinely noticed. maybe you didnt, but a lot of people used the ideas displayed there and came to the non-biased conclusion that there might be romantic feelings between the two
thats not what youre sayin it is man

i know commentaries arent great for canon stuff, but in the season 2 commentary for go with me one of the cast members (i cant remember who tho) said that the rock shirt was probably in the wash when she wasnt wearing it so thats an idea

im just gonna say this:
pb's actions scream "I HAVE A SUPER HIGH IQ" and a really common thing that comes with that (especially for girls but i headcanon her as genderfluid so im not sure if that works for this; granted it probably means biological girls) is not caring about how you smell and only caring about your looks to a certain extent
meaning she probably would not care at all if she smelt bad, especially when shes alone. she probably only washes that shirt because other people in the castle are like "PLEASE YOUVE BEEN WEARING IT FOR A WEEK YOU NEED TO WASH IT ALREADY ITS STARTING TO MAKE THE ENTIRE CASTLE SMELL BAD" and i can just imagine her being like "ok but what if i put air freshener on it please im too lazy to change and i really like this shirt"
also the whole (see: inhale violently) thing still stands and im sure you dont need to go that far to see if something smells good or bad

thats like there being cows on a battleship in a video game and someone whispering "i guess you could call that a cattleship...." and another person saying "umm we have cows at home and i can assure you that we dont have battleships. i doubt other cows use battleships either. why did you even say that"
puns arent meant to be taken seriously or literally bro, same with visual puns

at least bubbline hasnt been shot down 50000000 times. cant really say the same thing for fubblegum.

your last point in that post is just kinda. laughable yknow???? like you do realise the cause of that problem isnt bubbline but rather people like you???? if youd just accept that people like a ship and not feel the need to bash it endlessly (with ableist language but apparently not ableist language ok then) when speaking towards people who like it, then none of those people would be upset??? i doubt many bubbline fans would stop liking the show if it never became canon either. they just would be really happy if it did happen. its really weird that you're saying "BUBBLINE IS CAUSING THIS PROBLEM ITS A HORRIBLE SHIP" when YOURE the one causing it. let it go man; the show wouldnt be any worse with (or without) the ship being canon so stop treating it like its ruining the balance of the universe
also i read that paragraph to my family and they laughed a lot because of the same thing
thanks for the family friendly humour my family friend

also that punch "threat" was pretty playful. itd probably stop being playful if bubblegum refused to take the whole hambo thing seriously, but just playful at the start. its actually one of my favourite scenes in the episode because its super funny

^Have you seen the way Bubblegum acts I don't think someone can have a serious relationship with her she's just so ingnorant, and the way she treated Finn just no... and the only way Marceline and Bubblegum are alike is that they are super old.
So good day Bubbline shipper...

@zero: first paragraph, randomly ranting about the word "retarded" when it was used slang and there was nothing wrong with doing so. chill out and get on topic, making irrelevant and baseless attacks on me (by inferring it, don't lie) because of ONE word i used instead of "Stupid" isn't supporting anything you've claimed and is just a waste of time. and if you want some slur words that you SHOULD be freaking out about check these out: link ~just terrible, some of those were really bad, i mean... damn... i have never heard some of those before.

now stop raising such a fuss over something as insignificant as this. and those who call them out obviously need to chill a little and realize that they're not using it to hate on the disabled. they probably weren't even thinking about the disabled in the term's use. so lets get back on track.

first off, how in the world did you get "bubbline fans not real adventure time fans" out of "dismissing bubbline in order to keep the fans around"? is this more of that BS subtext you were talking about? XD

and "it's something that people have genuinely noticed", you mean, "it's something that BUBBLINE FANS have genuinely noticed"... as for me and red and a large amount of others, it's just a big load of crap. if it was "genuinely there" then we, the diehards and others, would have noticed it... but i have watched that episode over and over (mainly to be sure of my own accuracy in the debates) and have found it all to be extremely circumstantial at best. and the community of fans are completely divided on the issue because it is OPINIONATED. i and others take it this way, you and others take it that way.... that's what's going on.

as for the commentaries... i've listened to them... and i know what you're talking about... but they can be very inaccurate... and i'm not even sure if that is against or for my claim in all honesty... cause if you wash it all the time then it's gotta smell nice in the morning... was that paragraph supposed to support my claim?

you're saying that IQ has something to do with not smelling a shirt in the morning? that's a COMPLETELY BASELESS claim, that "if you have an High IQ you don't care if you smell nice". i mean, that was a terrible bit of evidence... that's a try again moment... in fact that whole paragraph is really bad evidence... and it's almost too bad actually... your making conclusions based on nothing. the "she probably only---" statement was just terrible conclusion making... i mean, nobody knew about the pajama, not even Marceline or finn, until the WWM episode (when i wrote that... felt like i was writing world war 2... weird). i don't mind a debate but can you please find better evidence... i feel like you BS-ing your way through this at this point... and i don't know about you but all of the girls in my family love to smell things, and they, on average, have exceptionally high IQ's.

what's with the "cattleship" analogy? what's that even to? that didn't defend or make a good analogy in any way... but it was so funny to read XD and puns? when were we talking about puns? my conclusion, funny but not relevant... actually, extremely funny, but very irrelevant. even in the analogy comparison...

and by "shot down" i assume you mean by the show itself... well let's not OVER-EXAGGERATE like most bubblines tend to do... i mean... 50000000 is a pretty big number for a show with only a 100+ episodes in total. XD

bubbline is the core of the issue, we just take different sides of it... and of course, just like i said, you put ALL THE BLAME ON US... cause you're just SO innocent and we're just the devils in disguise... grow up. this isn't a right or wrong scenario, you're not right because you ship it and we hate it... we "bash" it because we don't accept it and shouldn't be forced to. we have the right to a opinion that's against your's and we also have the right to voice it just as much as you voice yours... you think that when a bubbline picture is posted i don't get upset? you think when somebody is talking about how "great" bubbline is i'm not upset by that? i hate it and don't want it to exist, especially in something i love so dear, aka Adventure time (yes i love AT, got a problem with that?). and Be honest, if it didn't exist there wouldn't be any issues, instead you're calling for the change of tons of individuals who like to REMAIN individuals. it's crap and i, and many other's like me, receive just as much hate as you guys get, probably more. cause we get tons of hate for our opposite position on it... anyone unjustly call you a homophobe for your support of it? no. we get hated because we don't want it in AT and others do. we just don't want it in our favorite show. WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH THAT?! maybe i should put the KKK in AT too and have Flame princess join or have PB the leader of the nazis (these are extreme examples, i know, i made them extreme to prove a point vividly that when there is something people don't want to see they shouldn't be attack because of their opposition of it) but this is something that we are not okay with seeing in the series.

my dad always told me, "it takes two to fight". you guys know we don't want it... but don't seem to mind treading on our opinions like we're the "trash of society" for "starting the conflicts every time in the entirety of ever". and let me remind you of something, i didn't start the bubbline conversation, you did. i'm content with ignoring it as long as it's not brought up. but when it does i'm not gonna just hold my opinion in cause "someone doesn't want to hear it"... what do you think, i want to hear stuff about bubbline? how about you hold back an i hold back? fair? you don't say anything in support of bubbline and i won't say anything against.

and i know that "read that paragraph to my family and they laughed a lot because of the same thing
thanks for the family friendly humour my family friend" is just a lie, you just wanted to try and mock me and try to edge me on, admit it. only complete losers actually read random comments online to their families... and TBH you don't sound like no loser. like "i'm just gonna randomly read something to my family that came from a complete stranger because i wanted to mock it." grow up, and if this is all just a joke to you then shut up and stop making a scene and let me "bash" bubbline all i want cause "it's just a joke to you"

last paragraph... damn that's a lot of writing... playful or not, still supports my argument (well that was a short paragraph XD more like a sentence)

^ Techincally, you brought up this issue by asking her what her favorite Marceline ship is, then proceeded to bash it.

^i said "the bubbline conversation", i had not brought anything up about bubbline to that point and was just asking a curios question. then when she answer i gave my feedback. my question was not the start of the bubbline debate, it was the prologue to it. no relevance to it... and even if we got super technical on it she still started it with the "second marceline ship" reference statement... but we're talking about the start of the bubbline conversation, not what was before it.

to start off can i just ask that this is the end of this debate thing

this is causing a lot of unnecessary stress for me and its been a few months since i havent had a panic attack a day and im visiting a friend for her birthday tomorrow so i have to do everything in my power for that to not happen so getting rid of this debate is a
good start
like im sleeping over so if i have one the next day it's gonna be unavoidably around her and shes young and i usually have to try my best to be mentally composed around her so yeah

please dont reply to this i just dont want the stress of not knowing how horrible i look in front of people on the internet

with that out of the way

@redpanda
i think ive said multiple times that most people cant really judge how pb acts when its so difficult for them to understand how her brain works
shes not ignorant, even if it appears that way

@True-Finn-Fan
you seem to think i dont like it when people dont like bubbline
thats not true though???? my best friend since i was 5 hates it and im totally fine with it like w/e she doesnt have to like it
its more your elitist attitude about it that annoys me, since you're acting like it's the pinnacle of horrible things when its really not. even if you hate the ship, there are plenty of things much worse than it.
also i wouldve brushed it off if you werent so prominent here, because thats a really bad attitude for someone so popular

also i just noticed you called me zero and could you please not do that
also could you please use they/them when referring to me instead of she/her?? i'm fine with emerald_32 doing it but i havent known you for as long and my opinion of you is much lower (thats really the only way to say it im sorry. my opinion of everyone starts off pretty low and some of the stuff you've been saying here isnt exactly helping)

the problem with what you're saying isnt that you dislike the ship, but you're being so aggresive about it. this whole thing would've never happened if you just said something like "oh ok i dont really like that ship at all but you can whatever" instead of feeling the need to destroy it

also the iq thing wasnt baseless at all, since its probably why we're having so much communication problems. hi im in the highest 0.99% percentile of iqs in the world and i really wish social norms wouldnt make me feel really rude whenever i say that because its really important to be able to understand pretty much anything i say. not because its too high leveled for anyone to understand, but because my brain works so differently.
and i didnt say i dont smell things???? just not things related to myself because i couldnt care less
i only change clothes when someone outright asks me to actually

do i really have to keep saying that when i watched wwm i saw slight bits of subtext with it and it was literally the first time id thought of the ship and probably the 5th time id watched an at episode
because thats pretty not opinionated man

bubbline is in no way the reason that bubbline fans get upset when people feel the need to be like "OK I RESPECT THAT BUT THATS PRETTY SHITTY YOU SHOULD MAYBE RETHINK THAT" because they're not doing anything wrong. they just think a fictional couple is cute you cant say thats a bad thing because thats exactly what you do when you ship other things. ive seen you say before that you have good reasons for disliking this ship but you're not giving me any??? just say if you think it wouldnt work out or somethin thats totally fine

i just read the last thing to my family because it was ironic and contradictory and we find that funny like "haha you have a logic hole 0/10 try again"
its just a past time for me to show stuff like that to my family; nothing to do with you

first off... if you want a debate to end then you don't continue to debate it.... it's common sense for such a HIGH IQ person... i mean, where did you get the statistic that you were in the 0.99% percentile of IQ's? from your mom?

i'm popular? :D YAY! that was a nice thing to say ^-^... i'm less popular and more respected though. but it was nice of you to think otherwise. ^-^ and my claim wasn't that there wasn't anything worse, it was simply that bubbline is bad.

secondly, what's wrong with my attitude, it's not worse then yours, i mean, i'm not the one claiming to be so insolent that i read your "laughable" comments to my family and laugh about it... even though you based ZERO evidence of why it was ironic or contradictory, in fact, that's a lie, cause you said, at least originally, that you laughed about it because it was so "dramatic", now your saying it was because it was ironic and contradictory? you are so full of it... and i'm not boasting a "highest 0.99% percentile" IQ with no explanation of how i got that number or that statistic. what test did you take? what person told you? was it a school thing or just a random website? such big claims with nothing in it isn't good claims. like i could say that i'm in the -0.1% percentile or people... (yeah that's right, i got a negative somehow...XD) what does that mean if it isn't reliable? (a negative is the best way to prove it isn't reliable XD)

and lets be honest, you're fine with em calling you zero because she's on your side XD and i didn't mean it in a bad way or nothing, i was simply simplifying your name down so i could address you without the arrows (like these ^). it's the same reason i call em, well, em. don't know why you would have an issue with that... why do you have an issue with that? it's not an insult or a name i have to be your friend to say... it's just the first part of your profile name... and it's not like i'm taking the first part of a name like "Butters" and calling them "butt"....

it's kinda funny, you were calling me out saying that i had a lower opinion about bubbliners but in actuality you have a lower opinion of me and those like me (as inferred in your parentheses when you said "stuff you've been saying here isn't exactly helping") which is the opposite. you have to see the irony in that XD and i don't think lower of a person based on their opinion, i just think lower of the concept. unless, of course, what they stand for is truly terrible to society and humanity, like those who think we should all be extinct or those who kill people in foreign countries... etc...

of course i'm aggressive, nobody gets anything done unless they're proactive. most die-hard bubbliners push for bubbline to be cannon, and they do it aggressively, not all the time, but enough. so i am on the opposite side, matching their push with my own. and if you say that bubbliners haven't done aggressive pushes for bubbline's canon... then i'm gonna call you out on it as a straight up liar. and their pushes came before mine... that's a fact.

and once again you fail to prove what IQ has to do with this. you just stated that you have a high IQ and other random junk about understanding yourself but nothing on how it is relevant to the bubbline conversation.

and what does your washing and smelling patterns have to do with PB's? you aren't PB.

just cause it was your first episode doesn't mean that it isn't an opinionated answer, i watched the episode on the day it came out too... or wait, did you watch it the day it came out or days later? regardless you're arguing on irrelevant matters to your conclusion.

did i say bubbline was the reason BUBBLINERS get upset or did i say WE get upset? so i don't know what the purpose of that was. we get upset so we want it gone, they get upset because we don't follow in-suit with what they want to remain. the "upsets" start with the actual bubbline on the anti-bubbliners, who want it gone as to be nolonger upset, which in doing so, upsets the bubbliners and then the bubbliners retaliate against the anti-bubbliners who then retaliate back against the bubbliners and that cycle continues for as long as it may until everything is silent, but the issue started with the appearance of bubbline, not the anti-bubbliners.

i just think a fictional couple is stupid and you can't say that's a bad thing... we're not doing anything wrong, well, anything wronger then what you guys are doing. (i had no idea that wronger was a real word... learn something new everyday.) as for reasoning behind the hate, everybody has a different reason so i cannot speak for all, the incompatibility issue is one of the logical reasons i'm against the ship but there are more reasons that apply to only myself, reasons that you wouldn't care about unless you could use them against me somehow. if you really cared, i'd tell ya.

wanna hear contradictory, you said it was "stressing you out" yet you were "supposedly" laughing about it with your family... now THAT'S contradictory. and lets hear how it was so "ironic and contradictory" that you had your family read it... come on, put your money where your mouth is or stop lying. if it has nothing to do with me then why even say it? it served no purpose other than to try and belittle me or humiliate me, admit it, that's why you typed it, if not then why the hell would you type it?

Now this is getting interesting... If the debate's not over, call me and I'll get some popcorn.

^XD

@TFF: Just because we're on the same side doesn't mean that's she's fine with me calling her Zero. Just to inform you we've already met at the Vocaloids club.

^you know what's funny, i guessed that's where you knew each other X3 my second guess was the anime club, after that was DBZ.

^X3

^^ xD

go TFF!!!!

^^^^Figures XD

^^thanks ^-^

u w0t

Everyone is free to ignore this. And I'm sorry for necromancing. I just couldn't stop thinking about this, decided to check it out after all this time, and spent the entire time cringing and laughing at myself. Wanted to give my two cents from the future, y'know?

I just hope that everyone can forget about the whole Bubbline debacle that went on in multiple threads in the week or so I was here a while ago. I'd like to return, but I don't want any hard feelings to return with me. So if I do end up returning, I won't mention shipping if it isn't relevant.

I'd also like to apologize to everyone else involved for being so rude. I'm really sorry about that.

^The bubbline debate is not that big here anymore, ever since em went straight to tumblr tbh, even if I dont know anything about what happened here (despite the debate), no hard feeling alright? :D

^yep, that ship doesn't get brought up much, but neither do most things.

^^no hard feelings here.

just reread the debate. past me was on point. i'm slightly impressed by what i managed to articulate.

^Yeah I guess.

^to what? the first part or the third part?

1st

^okay.

^what part did you think I was refering too?

^i didn't know, that's why i was asking.

^makes sense.