if she thought she was dying did she want to go out guilty and loosing one of her friends?

personally I think if you think you're dying, and this guy who you care about is trying to save you, you're entitled to a kiss ?

In my opinion, i think the kiss was just like a "Thank You" kiss. She thought that would be the last time she would ever see lucas, and i guess she thanked him for everything he's done for her.


Out of topic here, but i heard there was like a similar scene in smallville where clark was saving this one girl and she kissed him, or whatever. Idk i don't watch smallville, but i heard something like that.

To me, a "freebie" in this context implies that Peyton did something she shouldn't have, but should be off the hook since she was bleeding. So freebie isn't the word I'd use. Especially since it wasn't just peyton; it was "Leyton" that kissed.

Remember what Peyton said right after she kissed luke?? "Just in case you can't keep your promise."

She didn't say: if I die, I don't wanna go without telling you how I really feel.

She didn't say: Let's do it. Right here, right now!

Nor did she say: For old times sake.

Those two know and love each other more than any couple on the show. Luke knew peyton wasn't going after him as she leaned in to kiss him - that's why he let her do it. They trusted each other. Yes, the both of them never stopped loving, but the kiss was not fueled by that love.
She didn't wanna go out without saying goodbye & and thank-you; just in case she passed away. That's all.

Flustered and confused as she might have been, a kiss is a kiss. And, she knew that. She knew what she was doing.

I think it was right of her to express her feelings one last time before she died, but it still does fall under the category "cheating".

I'm not saying it was the wrong thing to do, but it is cheating nomatter whos dying.
And I mainly blame lucas who WASN'T dying and decided to cheat on his girlfriend anyways!

It would've been a bit harsh to tell Peyton: 'Sorry girl, you might be dying but I have a girlfriend' don't you think?

I do think it was cheating.. because they could just as easily have hugged.. but Brooke always knew that P&L cared about eachother a lot and I don't think she had the right to get so angry about the kiss. I'm pretty sure that if it had been Haley kissing Luke because she was dying Brooke wouldn't have gotten mad AT ALL..
Brooke's furious reaction to the Leyton kiss was because of her frustration and insecurity regarding her relationship with Lucas and the part that Peyton had always played in that..

peyton liked lucas even though he liked brooke. this is a love triangle

right ...

1. she didnt only THINK she was dying, she WAS dying as shown in 4.10 by keith! when they stood at peytons grave if luke hadnt of gone back into the school

2. at that moment in time i bet she wasnt thinking. like she said she lost a lot of blood and i dont really think she was thinking about brooke at that time! she knew brooke was safe and there was nothing to worry about with her!

3. it wasnt even a real kiss, it was like a peck

totally agree with abs! she said 'just incase you cant keep your promise' << people made such a big deal out of this for nothing, it looks well when leyton fans are saying the LP kiss didnt mean anything! lmfaoo!

i actually think it did mean something, because when she said 'if i say i love you right now, will you hold it against me' we do find out that she was inlove with him! but i still think it shouldnt be classed as cheating! in s1 luke cheated with peyton, it was ongoing and they made out a lot! not to mention luke was gonna leave brooke for peyton . s3 was definatly not an affair!

i think brooke over reacted big time but i understand why she did it! brooke didnt know the circumstances, she didnt know it was just a simple peck, she didnt know how it was brought about, all she knew was peyton was shot and luke went in after her to save her!
BUT, she didnt need to cut peyton out for nearly a whole season! there was no need for it.

but its cheating when the person have a girlfriend who happens to be your bestfriend

imagine ur bffl kissing ur bf or u kissing ur friends bf how wuld u feel??

Okay EVEN when peyton is dieing she STILL has the nerves to kiss lucas WHILE hes going out with her best friend/sister. it makes me FURIOUS!

I can understand the kiss, I think that hiding it from Brooke is where the cheating line was crossed.

I agree I never liked the kiss but the kissing part was not the worst part If they told Brooke it would not have been as bad. I think if Brooke found out right after and was explained the situation she might have understood better.

cmon, she thought she was gonna die! cut her some slack, people.

elliesowner if they told brooke she would still flip out! the reason they tried to hide it was so they didnt hurt brooke and she didnt have to get upset and fall out with them over nothing!<< which is what it was!
im fed up with the same argument - this has all been said before so i dont really see the point in repeating myself for the sake of it! plus we havnt got SG1 on here and she rocked the last one of this! :P

^^ Aw thnx Laurra lol!

I would go into this AGAIN but all arguements seem to fall on deaf ears *shrugs* NOT to mention i get so fucked off when people act like Peyton dying doesn't change the situation and i'm just like "oh really?" I mean oh my fucking god guys when someones dying ALOT of the time they have the impulse to kiss someone - it's not considered cheating - WHY? Because they where DYING and it was just a kiss - they DID not have sex, though from all the hate Peyton got they might as well have. It wasn't even a proper kiss it was a goodbye/thank you/i'm scared type kiss - leyton agreed afterwards that it was just in the moment.

Anyway that sorta is me talking about it - sorry guys! xx =D

ok just so everyones clear i LOVE peyton i only watch this show for her anymore hoping jeyton hapens :|. and breyton too =D. anyways it is cheating i know she is dying so it should not bother anyone but technicaly it is cheating :|. maybe i am wrong but its in the past forget this

okay my turn!!! a kiss between two people who aren't dating is CHEATING!!!!!!!!! if i was dying and i was sitting next to my sister's (because they were basically sisters) bf i would never kiss him (because i would know it would hurt my sister)! but the kiss really didn't bother me! ( there was no spark when they kissed he didn't even enjoy it) you could tell that lucas was completely in love with brooke! he even told peyton in the next episode....... what bothered me was how she kept it from brooke and suddenly she was in love with lucas an acting like a crazy person!

brucas4ever, it's easy for you to say you'd never do that. but you've never been in peyton's position. You weren't dying next to the love of your life and wanted to say thank-you and potentially goodbye just in case you didn't make it. You can interpret it as cheating if you want, I won't try and change your mind. but for you to claim you'd never do it is a little presumptuous. Peyton never planned it and i'm sure if anyone asked her before the fact (school shooting) she'd vow that she'd never do something like that (especially given what happened in s1).

and Peyton wasn't suddenly in love with luke. She never stopped loving him since s1. Jake just helped her realize it when her repressed feelings surfaced while she was asleep at his house.

No offense, but some of you brucas fans crack me up. Some say Peyton shouldn't have told brooke anything. Others say she should have. The poor girl just won't win with you guys. So i'll set you apart as one of the fans who wanted peyton to tell brooke everything. How do you think it would have looked if Peyton told brooke that she and luke kissed after Peyton just said she still had feelings for the guy? It would have made brooke even more insecure don't you think? and btw, Luke wasn't supposed to enjoy the kiss. i'm sure peyton didn't "enjoy" it either. It was a life and death situation; leyton wasn't having a romantic moment. They were having a meaningful "goodbye & thank-you just in case" moment.

:D totally agree especially about the last point! half of you wanted her to tell brooke about s1 affair/s3 kiss but when she told her she was inlove with luke at the end of s3 she got loads of hating because of it!! either way peyton cant win and you hate her all the same! i really do love that last point you made abs!

i also love : 'and Peyton wasn't suddenly in love with luke. She never stopped loving him since s1. Jake just helped her realize it when her repressed feelings surfaced while she was asleep at his house'.... did you ever see leyton have closure inbetween s1/s2 when she was supposed to have lost feelings for him? NO! they stayed close, although it was as friends he was still there for her and vice versa! she may have loved jake, but she was INlove with luke, and jake helped her realize that like abs said!

... and YAYY for SG1 showing up lol! agree so much, and loved the 'I mean oh my fucking god guys when someones dying ALOT of the time they have the impulse to kiss someone - it's not considered cheating - WHY? Because they where DYING and it was just a kiss - they DID not have sex, though from all the hate Peyton got they might as well have.' :)<3

thanks laurra :)

i agree with you abs07 i understand that she was dying... and the kiss does count as a freebe.... but it's still was cheating "A kiss between two people who aren't dating is cheating"..... ... i really do understand why she did it.... but it's still cheating.. i don't want to start a fight about this because i really do agree with you...

oh no brucas4ever i'm not trying to start a fight :P
I debate. hope you're not taking offense to it :)

For me a kiss between two ppl who aren't dating isn't always cheating. This one wasn't about being a freebie; that's why I made my own option. I mean, what about a kiss between two friends/family friends (laley, brouth & peythan in the season 1 boy toy dates for example)? lots of ppl who aren't dating kiss; it's the meaning behind the kiss and the way they kissed that would classify it as cheating.

but no worries, this is probably the part where we agree to disagree :)

i agree i changed my mind:)

oh! ok yay, lol. :)

no matter wht kissing her best friends bf is wrong and it is clear that brooke means nothing to her since she did knowing how much lucas means to brooke.xx

Um... it's clear that kiss meant something and if it was me I probably wouldn't have gotten that mad. But I think what would've bothered me and what bothered Brooke was the fact that they didn't tell her about it, it's like if the kiss didn't mean anything as Lucas & Peyton claimed then it should've been easy for them to tell her but they didn't so it had to mean something.

But then again I don't give shyt either so there's that.

Kissing a guy with a girlfriend who is also your best friend is wrong, but c'mon she thought she was gonna die for god's sake. She had lost a lot of blood so I don't blame her for wanting to kiss the guy that was helping her out. Brooke just totally overreacted! When she said, "If I say I love you right now, will you hold it against me?" I don't think she knew she had feelings for him yet...she figured all that out with Jake. So, when she said she didn't have any feelings for Luke in eppy 3x17, that's truly what she thought. So yes, there were no major sparks and it wasn't a romantic moment...buttt I'm not going to say it was meaningless. I truly believe it did mean something. I mean like lucas_sawyer said, if it didn't mean anything, it should have been pretty easy to tell Brooke about it. Maybe it wasn't that enjoyable (considering Peyton was bleeding half to death) but I think that's when BOTH of their feelings started to resurface. Lucas even said later on that a part of him knew Peyton meant it, but he denied it so he wouldn't hurt Brooke. Now why exactly would it hurt Brooke? 'cause he felt the same way. Duh!

So I don't really count it as cheating, and I think it did mean something. ;)

I totally agree with this option. My thoughts exactly

Peyton was shot, bleeding to death, getting weaker by the minute. Prince charming is sitting next to you, a person you loved is trying to save your life. Your convince you're about to die. How can this be considered cheating? Peyton after the kiss said, 'Just in case you can't keep your promise'. She said it herself, it was A JUST IN CASE.