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Last round was a surprise considering we have couples like Rory and sugar up there 0.o

^As I have said, I'd rather see Rachel and Emma get married than Finchel & Wemma (unless Will pulls his pathetic self together. He was just plain mean to Emma in The Spanish Teacher. Seriously.

I think everyone who voted for Finchel is just sick of them. I find myself supporting them a bit in some episodes but I'm sick of them too. Jesse is just mean to Rachel and everyone else. I don't like him with Rachel at all.

^Will pissed me off in Spainish Teacher too. But Wemma is still my 2nd favorite ship. He just needs to get his ass together.

i get it tho

Why the hell is Rory and Sugar still here? They are so annoying and useless.

ugh!? I don't get it, they're not even lesbian and have never showed any indication of being so.

@mangie- Wait really? Why do people have to pull the sexuality card as their argument? I wish people would choose not to ship it because they were enemies, or they ship them with other people, but it really bothers me when people say that they're not lesbians or Glee is too gay already.

Yes, the show is probably writing them as straight.

No, they will probably never be canon.

Yes, the only reason why people think they're straight is that they've only dated boys.

Yes, they have hinted towads not being straight.

Rachel asking Finn what it was like to kiss Quinn.
Quinn turning down Santana's suggestion for a Unholy Trinity threesome citing, "Thanks, but I'm not that into that."
Rachel answering the homophobe's comment saying that they (the girls) are all a bunch of lesbos with, "So what if we are?"
Dianna Agron 1. Shipping it, 2. Saying "Quinn could always go gay." and 3. Basing Quinn off a bisexual character (who they mentioned in the show as a comparison to Santana)

I can't list all the examples where some Quinn stans/Faberry fans/other femslash Quinn shippers have questioned Quinn's sexuality, in a reasonably-sized comment. Anyone with an open mind read this examination of Quinn link.

^ THIS. Completely right.
I can't stand Rory and Sugar either :/

Quinn and Rachel don't have to be lesbian to be a couple. It can be a friendship, though. I mean, Rachel helped out Quinn in the first season with the baby drama. Then Quinn helped her later on with the wedding thing (even though Rachel failed at listening). It doesn't have to be a love relationship to be a couple.

@milkfan9, if you mean that the two of them are useless as in separate characters, then I don't see how Rory is useless. I mean, if it weren't for him, Santana wouldn't have did all that stuff to him, and then Finn wouldn't have spilled the beans about her sexuality. As a couple, I'm undecided.

@Crime-Drama-Bee

Okay fine, you want arguments against Faberry that have nothing to do with their sexuality? Here you go:

Quinn bullied Rachel for a long time and never apologized
Rachel wanted a nosejob, and Quinn encouraged it while Finn, Kurt, Puck and the others were strictly against it because they like her just the way she is.
The awkwardness of Shelby Corcoran and Beth. I mean Quinn tried to fire her freaking MOTHER. Like I get that they didn't have the best relationship but they were on their way to being more than civil with each other. Beth goes without explaining.
Rachel only reached out to Quinn after Will announced they needed more members. She knew what was happening to her all summer long but she didn't even care. She only cared after the glee club needed new members.
Their characters are not compatible in any way possible. Like do they have anything in common? Even if they were both gay I doubt they'd happen because they have nothing in common.

And that post about how Quinn is supposedly gay or bisexual?? All subtext. It ain't gonna happen. And frankly that post is really insulting to Rachel which makes me feel like most QR shippers are Dianna lovers or Quinn!stans. So Quinn feels bad about herself, about the fact that she's "lesbian" so she tortures Rachel to make herself feel better? Come on! How is that healthy? And then there's the fandom who turns everything into something Faberry related. Insults Finchel shippers as 12 year olds, also calls us 'delusional, stupid' for shipping Monchele(or any other RL ship TBH) but then turn around and ship Achele full force. Both women have stated that they're straight. Just accept it and move on. I'm not trying to sound rude, but that's just the way it is.

I don't like Faberry.

@cosmicstars

Okay fine, you want arguments against Faberry that have nothing to do with their sexuality? Here you go:

Quinn bullied Rachel for a long time and never apologized

->Karofsky was equally viscous, and even more physically violent to Kurt and look where they ended up. Finn never apologized for egging Rachel, or bullying her. And there's a difference between Finn and Quinn's relationships with Rachel. While Finn and Rachel's relationship walks a tightrope and changes multiple times per episode, Quinn and Rachel's has constantly grown. Finn still unknowingly insults Rachel once in a while, and Rachel still controls him, and acts selfishly.

Rachel wanted a nosejob, and Quinn encouraged it while Finn, Kurt, Puck and the others were strictly against it because they like her just the way she is.

->Rachel wanted that nose job. Quinn always makes sure Rachel gets what she wants, with the exception of boys. Also, there's the point of Quinn having gone through the same, and it's changed her whole identity. (Actually in the episode before there was a scene in Rachel's bedroom where she told Rachel specifically not to get a nose job. But that doesn't count because the scene was deleted.)

The awkwardness of Shelby Corcoran and Beth. I mean Quinn tried to fire her freaking MOTHER. Like I get that they didn't have the best relationship but they were on their way to being more than civil with each other. Beth goes without explaining.

->Truth. That poor child. But Rachel seemed to care more about Quinn being crazy than her own mother being on the recieving end of that. And is it not awkward that Shelby slept with the teenager who fathered her daughter and dated her estranged one?

Rachel only reached out to Quinn after Will announced they needed more members. She knew what was happening to her all summer long but she didn't even care. She only cared after the glee club needed new members.

->This is true, though not like anybody else cared either. Nobody reached out to Quinn. But Rachel also said that she's sad to see Quinn sad. Which goes deeper than "we need more members." She also wasn't demanding anything from Quinn, but instead said "Whenever you're ready."

Their characters are not compatible in any way possible. Like do they have anything in common? Even if they were both gay I doubt they'd happen because they have nothing in common.

-I don't think that Finn and Rachel are compatible either, so we'll have to agree to disagree. They have a bunch in common. Quinn used to be just like Rachel before high school, which is the exact reason why she bullied her and they seem so different. It's because Quinn was power-hungry and she was so afraid of becoming Lucy again that she made sure she wasn't by becoming a bully. They are both extremely insecure. They both love performing and Quinn even seems to have Broadway knowledge. They're very smart, and both have A averages. They both care about each other's futures.

And that post about how Quinn is supposedly gay or bisexual?? All subtext. It ain't gonna happen. And frankly that post is really insulting to Rachel which makes me feel like most QR shippers are Dianna lovers or Quinn!stans. So Quinn feels bad about herself, about the fact that she's "lesbian" so she tortures Rachel to make herself feel better? Come on! How is that healthy? And then there's the fandom who turns everything into something Faberry related. Insults Finchel shippers as 12 year olds, also calls us 'delusional, stupid' for shipping Monchele(or any other RL ship TBH) but then turn around and ship Achele full force. Both women have stated that they're straight. Just accept it and move on. I'm not trying to sound rude, but that's just the way it is.

->The reason why that post was so anti-Rachel was because Quinn bullied Rachel. It's the truth, and you won't find anyone who will say that the fact is not true. (Another difference with Finchelettes- some of them deny that Finn ever bullied Rachel. SMH) Finchel shippers hate Rachel, which I have no idea why. Absolutely none, but many seem to be Finn!stans (don't understand that either). Finchel shippers insult us all the time equally as much. Not everyone of course, but there are people from both fandoms. And if someone says something anti-Finchel, there's an unspoken assumption that it came from a Faberry fan. In truth, most of the fandoms can get along, except for Finchel. Quick and Fabrevans get along. Brittana, Klaine, and Faberry get along. Faberry fans include a lot of Quinn!stans because they don't ship Quinn with any of the boyfriends she's had. Many ship Quindependence as their show endgame (because yes, contrary to popular belief, most Faberry fans know that Faberry isn't going to happen. It doesn't mean we should stop shipping it.) Faberry may not have been the healthiest relationship last year or two years ago, but now it would be 1000x more healthy than Finchel. But you're right- all subtext in the past (but this year it's kind of bubbling up to text).

Why is Faberry so controversial when other ships aren't? People have no problem shipping Sebtana even though they're both gay. Everybody is shipping Quartie and that's not controversial, despite the fact that they have only had 2 cute moments that I can think of.

Quinn and Rachel have this weird sense of caring for the other, and while it's lovely, objectively, it's also very confusing. Why does Quinn care so much that Rachel reaches her dreams and doesn't marry Finn? Why does she seem to hate Finn so much now? Why does Rachel always ask where Quinn is or what about her, or complement her beauty?

On the other hand, why did I used to ship Finchel, but now ship Faberry with all my heart and soul? Is it because I am a masochist? Well, I don't know- maybe? But maybe it's because while Finchel became less and less appealing as RIB kept toying around with their relationship, Quinn and Rachel's has grown stronger to the point where they are best friends. That may not be a romantic relationship, but I think that they have both come so far from where they started.

Well then we should just agree to disagree. Even though Rachel is my favorite and I know many Finchel shippers whose favorite character is Rachel so your argument that ALL FR shippers are Finn!stans isn't exactly true. I ship Rachel/Happiness which right now is equal to Finn/Rachel. If she ever found happiness with someone else I'd be happy for her but I wouldn't like it as much as Finchel.

basically everything @cosmicstars said, even if that supposed stuff about Quinn apparently secretely being lesbian and merely torturing Rachel as a way of making herself feel better about her secret subtexted life is true it still wouldn't be a healthy relationship.

->Karofsky was equally viscous, and even more physically violent to Kurt and look where they ended up. Finn never apologized for egging Rachel, or bullying her. And there's a difference between Finn and Quinn's relationships with Rachel. While Finn and Rachel's relationship walks a tightrope and changes multiple times per episode, Quinn and Rachel's has constantly grown. Finn still unknowingly insults Rachel once in a while, and Rachel still controls him, and acts selfishly.

When was the last time Finn insulted Rachel? and I'm sorry but there's a difference between unkowingly unsulting someone on about 2 occasions than making their life hell for almost a year, I like Quinn but you can't just disregard her past, also Quinn and Rachel's "tightrope" hasn't constantly grown, they hated each other, then they kind of tolerated each other, then they sort of became friends in VD, then they hated each other again, then they liked each other (OS) then hated each other, now they like each other again and Karofsky did apoligize to Kurt in "prom Queen" and alot of people still don't think Kurtofsky's healthy.

->Rachel wanted that nose job. Quinn always makes sure Rachel gets what she wants, with the exception of boys. Also, there's the point of Quinn having gone through the same, and it's changed her whole identity. (Actually in the episode before there was a scene in Rachel's bedroom where she told Rachel specifically not to get a nose job. But that doesn't count because the scene was deleted.)

Well when what she wants clearly isn't what she should get then maybe that's not a good idea and I seem to recall the context of that deleted scene being purely fan specultation.

->Truth. That poor child. But Rachel seemed to care more about Quinn being crazy than her own mother being on the recieving end of that. And is it not awkward that Shelby slept with the teenager who fathered her daughter and dated her estranged one?

That entire situation was awkward, nobody's denying that but up until Quinn was about to get Shelby fired Rachel didn't seem overly concerned about Quinn being crazy.

->This is true, though not like anybody else cared either. Nobody reached out to Quinn. But Rachel also said that she's sad to see Quinn sad. Which goes deeper than "we need more members." She also wasn't demanding anything from Quinn, but instead said "Whenever you're ready."

Yes but a member of glee club feeling sad that another member isn't there doesn't equal some deep secret undying love, using that logic Tina's secretely madly in love with Mercedes and they've all fallen for Kurt too.

-I don't think that Finn and Rachel are compatible either, so we'll have to agree to disagree. They have a bunch in common. Quinn used to be just like Rachel before high school, which is the exact reason why she bullied her and they seem so different. It's because Quinn was power-hungry and she was so afraid of becoming Lucy again that she made sure she wasn't by becoming a bully. They are both extremely insecure. They both love performing and Quinn even seems to have Broadway knowledge. They're very smart, and both have A averages. They both care about each other's futures.

Speculation and not every unpopular kid that get's bullied is exactly the same and immediately have a ton of stuff in common and minus the A averages thing Finn has those things in common with Rachel too.

->The reason why that post was so anti-Rachel was because Quinn bullied Rachel. It's the truth, and you won't find anyone who will say that the fact is not true. (Another difference with Finchelettes- some of them deny that Finn ever bullied Rachel. SMH) Finchel shippers hate Rachel, which I have no idea why. Absolutely none, but many seem to be Finn!stans (don't understand that either). Finchel shippers insult us all the time equally as much. Not everyone of course, but there are people from both fandoms. And if someone says something anti-Finchel, there's an unspoken assumption that it came from a Faberry fan. In truth, most of the fandoms can get along, except for Finchel. Quick and Fabrevans get along. Brittana, Klaine, and Faberry get along. Faberry fans include a lot of Quinn!stans because they don't ship Quinn with any of the boyfriends she's had. Many ship Quindependence as their show endgame (because yes, contrary to popular belief, most Faberry fans know that Faberry isn't going to happen. It doesn't mean we should stop shipping it.) Faberry may not have been the healthiest relationship last year or two years ago, but now it would be 1000x more healthy than Finchel. But you're right- all subtext in the past (but this year it's kind of bubbling up to text).

I know a plenty of Finchel fans who's favourite character is Rachel and I'm sorry but that post was one of the most generalizing and vaguely insulting posts I've seen from you, it doesn't just go all faberry fans get along with these fans, all so and so fans get along with so and so fans, wtf? people get along with people and if they don't get along because they ship different couple's on a tv then sorry but they're stupid, I know alot of Finchel fans who get along with people from all different fandoms, please don't generalize fandoms because frankly it's infuriating and I'm a Finn stan yet I'm on off with Finchel so..

Faberry is so controversial because you all seem to for some bizarre reason make it controversial, I've seen to many Faberry fans go crazy at one tiny insult or disagreement of their ship and too many shove Faberry down the rest of the fandoms throats, having argument after argument about why they think Fabberry is valid and seem to hate everyone who disagree's, that's why it's controversial.

Why does Quinn care so much that Rachel reaches her dreams and doesn't marry Finn? Why does she seem to hate Finn so much now?

because RIB want Faberry fan's to keep watching the show.

Why does she seem to hate Finn so much now?

because RIB want Faberry fan's to keep watching the show and because he dumped her at someone's funeral in a truck.

Why does Rachel always ask where Quinn is or what about her, or complement her beauty?

because RIB want Faberry fan's to keep watching the show.

Also it vagely annoys me when people get annoyed at the whole "they're not gay" argument because I think it's a pretty valid argument, there's nothing wrong with shipping it just like there's nothing wrong with shipping Sebtana, Pinn, Sinn, Quinntana or any of those couple's that aren't going to happen because one or both aren't attracted to people of the other half of ship's gender but all of those are crack ship's and you won't find anyone from any of those fandoms aside from Faberry trying to deny that and maybe it does bother you that people say they're not lesbians but it bother's me when people refuse to acknowledge the fact they're not friggin attracted to eachother as a valid argument against the ship.

Wow this has gotten heated, I like faberry in fact it's my third favorite ship, but I read a LOT of fanfiction. I know it will probably never happen on the show, but I get a dorky smile when ever RIB throws faberry fans a bone. I would like to see it happen but I know it won't.

@poperlovegood- agree. Even though I love it, it's very confusing to have the writers writing to all their fandoms to keep them watching. Klaine- well they get a continuous stream of Klaine moments. Brittana- Lets (finally) write about their relationship for the Valentine's day ep. Finchel- Duh- they're getting married. Few shippers would stop watching after that. Faberry- Suddenly positioning them as best friends with hugs and support. And it's like 'when did all this happen?'

I'm really hoping for Quindependence and Rachel-independence/NYADA when the season ends. I don't know what the writers are planning to do for Finn. Neither character seems to know what he's going to do, and I want to know.
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Rachel still risked her health seeking out Quinn in The Purple Piano Project. One of the skanks offered to beat her up. Also, she went before their recruiting number failed, so it wasn't like there was no other way to find members.
In Michael, it was shown that Quinn is over all three of her boyfriends, and in her performance, she happily danced with Finn, Puck, and Sam. And since the parts on stage were a dream sequence, that's how she sees the relationships in her mind. She seems happy with where they all stand. She doesn't show any signs of resentment over them.
Why would Quinn bully Rachel? Specifically of all people. She's HBIC, and Rachel's a misfit. She bullied her before she had any reason to. But there are more misfits in the school, yet Rachel's the only one who we see her actively bully.
And reiterating from the skywarrior108 article, why the defeminizing insults? Anybody else would just bully someone with "slut," "whore," or "bitch," or something of that nature.
Why does she draw Rachel so much? She drew Rachel porn, but didn't leave any way of showing who did it, yet felt the need to admit it to her later. And the notebook picture. She spent a lot of time on it, and drew the face first, followed by "LOSER" and then the hearts. Why spend so much time on a picture she wasn't intending for Rachel to see?
The deleted scenes from Original Song are not fan speculation. There have been pics of the script with the dialogue, and it's on the Wiki, and has been there since the page was made.

The generalizations are not strictly mine. I don't track other fandoms, so I don't know what goes on a lot. I don't even agree with a lot of them.

Rachel doesn't, and has never hated Quinn.
Quinn doesn't, and has never hated Rachel.
Rachel has been complementing Quinn's beauty since Showmance, when she barely even knew who she was.
Quinn has been supporting Rachel's dreams since (at least) Original Song, when she said she was sending her on her way because she doesn't belong in small-town Ohio.
Rachel has been interested in Quinn's wherabouts since Vitamin D, when Quinn didn't show up for practice and the other girls just teased her about it.
The girls have been nothing but civil whenever Finn wasn't in the equation.
Quinn has been doing anything Rachel asks of her since Theatricality.
Despite their strange dynamic, Rachel was probably one of the only friends Quinn has always had. None of the other kids were her friends. She had boyfriends. Quick still confuses me as to when they were and when they weren't together. Sam was really sweet to her, but she ruined it. Fuinn pt. I and II turned into a disaster for both characters. Mercedes was the only other person to reach out, but they never had a friendly interaction for the following seasons.

Also I think people forget that Brittana was pretty much the same situation. There weren't even any hints about a relationship, and people still shipped them. And then Brittany's one-liner in Sectionals saying they were having sex happened. Now they're a full-fleged relationship, albeit with an unfairly small amount of screentime in comparison to Finchel and Klaine.

The fans to scene-time ratio is really off for just about everything.

^In some ways yeah, but in others maybe not.
Klaine and Finchel are huge fandoms and get a ton of screentime. Even Faberry since writers are pandering to the Faberry fandom.

Brittana is way off. Huge fandom. One episode of major screentime.

Klaine hasn't even has a kiss since episode 5 and the Micheal episode was their biggest thing in a long time, so they no longer get "tons" of screen time :( also Finchel is mostly hated nowadays and they have the most time X(

Rachel still risked her health seeking out Quinn in The Purple Piano Project. One of the skanks offered to beat her up. Also, she went before their recruiting number failed, so it wasn't like there was no other way to find members.

She went somewhere in the school grounds not a high risk bomb factory, the skanks weren't going to beat her up, Quinn wouldn't let that happen whether she liked Rachel or not.

In Michael, it was shown that Quinn is over all three of her boyfriends, and in her performance, she happily danced with Finn, Puck, and Sam. And since the parts on stage were a dream sequence, that's how she sees the relationships in her mind. She seems happy with where they all stand. She doesn't show any signs of resentment over them.

You're the one who said she hated Finn in the first place, not me, I just gave you reason as to why if she does and now you're arguing against that?

Why would Quinn bully Rachel? Specifically of all people. She's HBIC, and Rachel's a misfit. She bullied her before she had any reason to. But there are more misfits in the school, yet Rachel's the only one who we see her actively bully.

Quinn was at the top, Rachel was posting video's of herself making herself an easy target and viola, also she probably did bully the kids too, it just didn't show us that because they weren't important.

And reiterating from the skywarrior108 article, why the defeminizing insults? Anybody else would just bully someone with "slut," "whore," or "bitch," or something of that nature.

Maybe because calling her words like that wouldn't fit Quinn's bitchy but sweet and girly character non the less.

Why does she draw Rachel so much? She drew Rachel porn, but didn't leave any way of showing who did it, yet felt the need to admit it to her later. And the notebook picture. She spent a lot of time on it, and drew the face first, followed by "LOSER" and then the hearts. Why spend so much time on a picture she wasn't intending for Rachel to see?

That was put in for comedy, nothing more and I'm pretty sure Dianna was responsible for the hearts and we all know she ships Faberry so..

The deleted scenes from Original Song are not fan speculation. There have been pics of the script with the dialogue, and it's on the Wiki, and has been there since the page was made.

Well then I'm glad they deleted them then because that would've just made Quinn look bi-polar.

I explained the other stuff already, the writer's know Faberry fans are out there so they keep throwing bones for them, they're still never going to actually make it happen though.

Brittana were always on, you could tell it from the pilot and RIB had nothing else to do with those two characters so they put them together and Brittana was formed.