princesas de disney Most Feminist DP Countdown! día 6: Pick the LEAST feminist. (Elimination based on comments!!)

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26 fans picked:
Pocahohontas
   38%
Tiana
   23%
Belle
   19%
mulan
   19%
 Jessikaroo posted hace más de un año
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Jessikaroo picked Tiana:
10. Aurora
9. Cinderella
8. Snow White
7. Jasmine
6. Rapunzel
5. Ariel
4. ?

Please try to remove your bias and give concrete reasons for why you choose said princess1 also try to remember none of the princesses are that feminist!

I have chosen Tiana are the next least feminist, because even though it's empowering that she works so hard and gets a successful job, a lot of that kind of dies down when she becomes a frog. The line at the end where she says her dream wouldn't be complete with Naveen especially pisses me off.
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BelleAnastasia picked Pocahohontas:
I don't know, I've always seen Tiana as a strong and independent female, who fights for equal rights, and have enough faith in herself to believe that her dream can survive the harsh and cruel reality of the 1920s USA. The fact that she fights against race and sexual prejudice puts her in my top 3 most feminist DPs.

While Pocahontas is daring and bold, I don't think she does as much in the feminist department as Tiana, Belle and Mulan. True, she defies tradition, and is unwilling to be the trophy wife of a war hero. And yes, she shows her whole tribe that one woman can bring peace. However, for most of the movie, she seems to be too uncertain in herself and her capabilities. I'm not sure if I am explaining that clearly enough, I feel however that while she brings a good feminist message, it's not as strong as the messages of the other 3 remaining DPs.
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SweetPea2007 picked Pocahohontas:
I agree with everything BelleAnastasia saif about Tiana and Pocahontas....
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Jessikaroo picked Tiana:
In my opinion Pocahontas is the most feminist because her worth as a woman is never questioned, and her pros you mention, bringing peace and such, is more powerful than any of her cons.
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princesslullaby picked Tiana:
Besides not wanting to marry Kocoum because its not how she feels, worth of Pocahontas' gender is never put into question, AND she is expected to be in power, people really respect her word as a woman, and none of it is ever questioned. They listen to her immediately and really put her into focus--- even the white men back off without a second thought, they really see her as someone of wisdom and prowess. Not to mention the peace she accomplishes! Basically her worth as a woman is never questioned, she's seen as the strongest, most powerful figure in the movie and it's the norm. That's more feminist than a woman having to fight to prove her worth.

-Tiana: "omg I want a restaurant so bad"
-Gives up dream for Naveen "my dream wouldn't be complete without you" --really? It's one thing to say "I wouldn't be completely happy in life without you" its another thing to say her goals of a restaurant wouldn't be complete without Naveen.
-Shows absolutely no remorse or upset that she has lost her restaurant, because 'she has Naveen', regardless of the fact if Charlotte kissed Naveen too late or not.
Again, it's about endgame. Her dream shifts from 'I want a restaurant' to 'My dream isn't complete without Naveen, and therefore I'll stop caring about it because he's a frog and I can't live it without him.
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Swanpride picked Pocahohontas:
I thought long about this, but I eventually decided on Pocahontas over Tiana. Because of her attitude concerning Kokoum. I mean what her father tells to her basically boils down to "he will be a strong protector and a good provider", and there is not one instance in which Pocahontas refutes the sexism of the statement or makes clear that she isn't dependent on such a provider. Hell, the only reason she gets out of this marriage is because Kokoum conveniently dies. If this were about the movie, I would put Pocahontas above PotF because of the ending, but when we speak about character, I think Tiana is the more feminist one. She certainly wouldn't even consider marriage to a man for protection as possible path.
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Ribon95 picked Pocahohontas:
out of these then yeah.
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AllegroGiocoso picked Pocahohontas:
This was very hard, I had to read the comments to make my decision.
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LightningRed picked Pocahohontas:
Either Tiana or Pocahontas. But like BA said, Tiana has to work harder because many people looked down at her ("a little woman of your background").
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BelleAnastasia picked Pocahohontas:
@princesslullaby: I think it was questioned a lot. Her father was making her marry Kokoum because he was a war hero and he wanted her to marry him. In other words, she was going to be the price of the war hero. Also, her father had more trust in his male advisers and warriors when it came to the white men, not her. Only after he gathered his full forces, he agreed to talk to John Smith.
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maryksand said:
Lol I see I'm late to the party, because so many princesses have been eliminated but I can already predict how the whole poll went, especially considering all the contradictions of feminism ideology in a whole: the classic princesses were probably the first to go because hey, despite their completely legitimate choice to pick their roles as wives rather than having a career (although, technically, Aurora actually chose her RESPONSIBILITIES as a princess over Phillip at some point because despite how heartbroken she was when being told she can never see him again she STILL went to castle to reunite with her family and didn't neglect her princess duties and obligations in any way) they're being shamed for said legitimate choices because apparently feminism only upholds the idea of liberation as long a woman sticks to a limited number of goals and aspirations that this ideology can approve of. Then of course there was the neverending "Ariel left the sea/family for a man!!11!" because, once again, it's not like she is FREE and independent to choose for HERSELF where or with whom she wants to live. Not sure why or for what reason Rapunzel was eliminated, however, I guess it was due to the movie "daring" to not deliver and address the idea of female strength aggressively and obnoxiously and instead actually SHOWING it multiple times without robbing Rapunzel of her femininity.

And, predictable as it is, we now have Tiana, Mulan, Belle and Pocahontas, because feminism only goes thus far and only a woman who fits a "traditional" formula of bad ass-ness can avoid being shamed for her legitimate choices (which isn't sexist at all, you know). Sigh. Not going to vote for any because I think ALL of the princesses are admirably strong characters regardless of their flaws. What Pocahontas said about Kokoum was actually spot on because she merely described his merits and honorable traits that were considered valuable in her society, which doesn't by any means make her an anti-feminist.

Tiana wanted Naveen to be a PART of her dream and while she ended up choosing him ultimately at some point of her life because the chance of turning back into a human and as a result - an opportunity to keep working towards her goal was forcibly taken away from her AGAINST her will due to the curse, she used her completely legitimate RIGHT to stay by the side of a person she CHOSE to be with. It is up to NO ONE BUT HER to make this conscious decision and said decision does NOT make her anti-feminist. I would say that her kissing Naveen for money in the very beginning was an incredibly ridiculous, contrived and terribly OOC plot twist (not to mention it addressing a terribly sexist message of a lower social standing/working class woman kissing a more privileged male for money) considering how it contradicted basically everything that had been established about her character and her independent/hardworking attitude in the beginning but taking PaTF's extremely problematic nature and inconsistency it's not much of an argument in favour of Tiana's supposed "anti-feminism".

And on this note, I'm done with this poll. Feminism and me don't seem to sit well together lol
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rhythmicmagic picked Tiana:
I just think the others are more feminist, though she and Belle are pretty even in my book.
Pocahontas- but-how?! She is a strong pillar in her community, and just like princesslulluby said, her gender is never questioned! She is independent and even chooses to stay with her tribe instead of leaving for London to be with John, because she feels her leadership is needed- and her father intentionally puts no pressure on her either way! She makes her own decisions throughout this movie, that is an idea that is constantly reinforced! Whether her motivation be love or not, she still makes them herself. How can she not be in the top three?
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princesslullaby picked Tiana:
I don't think so. I think he wanted her to marry Kocoum because KOCOUM was a prize, not her.
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