I don't really know why people don't like him, he's funny and changed at the end. I love him and I love Tiana too.

I LOVE HIM *minority*

I HATE him with a burning passion! He's annoying, stupid, spoiled, selfish, arrogant, thinks he's the best thing invented since God, blames others for the messes he causes, won't admit he's wrong, and is one of the biggest damsel's in distress ever made. He annoys me to no end, I could go on for hours on how I wish I could murder this character repeatably until there's nothing left but his skull which I'd smash with my bare hands. So in case you haven't figured it out I hate him lol.

^ Don't hold back, KataraLover. Tell us how you REALLY feel!

He is my second favorite Prince! He is hilarious, very fun, extremely attractive, and a great character! Sure, he's slefish and a bit arrogant, but I think that by the end, he truly loves Tiana, adn is willing to change. :)

Yeah and no one's perfect to begin with.

Mongoose09 be careful what you say because I just might do it lol

He's not among my favorites, but I definitely don't hate him. He's ok.

Sorry, not a fan of Naveen, but don't hate him as much as I used to. In my opinion he is one of the most bland, flat, unconvincingly written Disney male characters with probably the most contrived and inorganic character development ever since John Smith. I don't necessarily despise his objective flaws such as being spoiled, selfish and self centered, however, the major let down regarding the writing for his character is the fact that all of said flaws were altered in a matter of seconds just because Tiana pointed at how lazy and useless he is as repeatedly and frequently as he insulted and mocked her for her working class since he generally had a tendency to humiliate less privileged people because of their social status or even their appearance (like when he constantly and continuously picked on his friend calling him out on being "so fat that he cannot even see his own feet" of something along the lines - and what's more disturbing is that Naveen is the FIRST Disney Prince to be allowed to make offensive comments towars someone's weight which was never even addressed in the movie because his friend was made into a villian whereas Naveen recieved little to no backlash for years of humiliating him by using his royal privileges). Naveen wasn't doing all those things because he was misguided but because he enjoyed doing them. He was not complex, he was one dimentional as hell and his rushed and unnatural personality change didn't come off as anything impressive or organic. I do apprciate his love for music and can relate to his lack of self worth, but I don't tend to get drawn to characters with poor rich boy complex, sorry.

He is just ok, nothing more, nothing less. Like Smith.

^well.

I love Naveen, I do. I agree with a lot of his criticisms, like what's written above but its just one of those things that I can't help but love him, same with Pocahontas.

maryksand: I bet you hate Flynn then, because his character development is worse. I don't know, I just like him for a lot of the reasons people hate him.

^ I don't think anyone on this club could even suggest that I hate Flynn, because I never made a secret out of the fact that I love him. I could write a novel on why I think Flynn's character development was organic and more than logical and natural as opposed to the contrived and rushed personality change that Naveen's was, and taking that I technically just wrote a pretty long comment about it on the Princess ranking article, I'm not going to repeat myself. You are entitled to your opinion though and I actually see where you're coming from because I pretty much feel the same way about Aladdin.

Well, I believe too that Flynn's development was just as rushed-- actually, I believe it was more rushed. Personally Tiana's seemed to be more flimsy than Naveen's, she had zero romantic interest in him then suddenly she exclaimed she was in love. I could see Naveen changing- as for Flynn, at what point did he fall for Rapunzel? When I first saw Tangled, I laughed out loud at the "I see the light" scene because I didn't even know where the affectione came from.

There are more people here who love Naveen, but not so much Flynn Ryder!? :O I think he's (Flynn) okay...tries too hard to be funny. I like him, but nothing more.

Second favorite prince. He's so funny.

Princesslullaby, Flynn was caged by his lack of self worth trying desperately to make something out of himself, believing that if he measures up to his childhood ideal aka character in the book - the only thing he had in life and basically the only thing that gave him some sort of guidance, comfort and inspiration - then his life finally gets better. He was insecure to the point where he was unable to even go by his real name and prefered to create a fake image wearing a mask of a dashing self confident thief. His attempts at trying to seem confident and arrogant were nothing but a defence reaction that he used in order to handle the hardships of life, having no one to support or guide him and getting completely off track at some point. Naveen's arrogance and disrespect towards people was a part of his ACTUAL personality rather than a mask he was wearing. His mindset included humiliating anyone of a lower social standing and overall behaving like a spoiled narcissistic kid because he WAS a spoiled narcissistic kid and there is no way a person with so many prejudices and such a disturbing and biased perception of life and people would suddenly change his attitude overnight just because some gorgeous hard working less privileged woman tells him how lazy he is, how he never accomplished anything and shows him how to cook. Naveen's selfish dream was to marry a woman for money using her naivety and desire to marry a prince in order to keep being a self centered privileged kid having other, poor people lick his shoes and serve him whereas Flynn's selfish dream was about being rich in order to not have to think about making a living anymore and being ALONE - no word about wanting to humiliate people of a lower social standing, no word about womanizing, no word about manipulating women or being a supposedly universally acknowledged dream boy whom every woman in the world would desires to marry. Flynn needed a way out and support and Rapunzel offered it to him, which was something he gladly held on to. He never had anyone else to actually accept him the way he is prior to meeting her. No one, in fact, was even willing to get to know the real him, let alone prefer the real him to the unrealistic image he created/mask he was wearing. "I like Eugene Fitzherbert MUCH better than Flynn Rider" was a turning point in their relationship because there was finally someone he realized he could for once STOP pretending with. I See The Light was by no means a primary bonding moment in his relationship with Rapunzel, the campfire scene was, after which they spent the entire day together just feeling comfortable around one another and enjoying each other's company instead of patronizing or mocking each other like Naveen and Tiana did. Flynn didn't have to pretend around Rapunzel and she didn't feel worthless or useless like she did with Gothel. Their relationship was about acceptance whereas Tiana/Naveen, to me, seemed quite the opposite. Naveen's attitude towards life literally changed in a matter of one day whereas Flynn didn't actually change but merely returned to being his true self because he found someone who accepted him that way. However, all of it is just IMO.

You added a lot of gratuitous details in that paragraph. I never made any comparisons between Flynn's arrogance and Naveen's spoilt personality so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up.
I can understand Flynn having a 'bonding moment' with Rapunzel -- but if you're going to have 'falling in love' in a movie, you need to go through all the steps. I think BATB handled this well, showing the separate stages of having a crush, stronger feelings, and then love. Believe it or not, I saw this out of Naveen-- being impressed with her, starting to have stronger feelings for her when she started opening up, and then falling in love. I didn't see this out of Tiana, who seemed to show little interest in Naveen until 'YOU SAID JUST ENOUGH RAY' and then I was totally blown away by her sudden infatuation with him.
As for Flynn, okay, so Rapunzel says she likes him better as Eugene. That's one person. You don't go from having a fake persona practically your whole adult life and then one person says they like the real you and you flip completely. I could understand it if they fleshed the love story out, or if she had said it after he already started developing feelings, but until that point in the movie he seemed to only think she was a nuisance, and even wandering into town he ended up fighting with the horse more than putting any interest into her. She had some school-girl crush on him, sure, but that also never seemed genuine to me, merely a result of him being the first guy she ever saw, and her putting so much emotional/mental reliance on him to guide her and her dream. (Since they didn't make it love at first sight, I didn't buy this sudden love from her to him).
In the town, yeah they do a little dance and walk around together, but to me, that was when he started having a crush on her, not when his feelings got stronger. Then suddenly two hours later, they're in a boat- and singing about how they're each other's dreams. I realize that a Disney movie has to rush things, but when it comes to tales of falling in love, Disney has always been pretty good at spreading each stage out through the most proportionate amount of time (Tarzan, Hunchback, Hercules, and actually what I liked about Hunchback is that Esme/Phoebus didn't seem to be IN LOVE in the end, just really loved each other). I can buy them rushing the falling in love thing, but they have to level it out, and they didn't. And that's why I didn't buy Flynn's sudden transformation, because someone who is so extensively insecure as Flynn will not just turn around in a day. And on that note about him, they didn't expand it enough, either.
So in terms of character development, I see something more solid in Naveen's change than Flynn's. If you want to get into who turned out better, who was more arrogant/spoilt, , well, that's a different matter. Granted, I'm not entirely sure what exactly made Naveen or Tiana fall for each other, it felt a little forced, but not nearly as forced as Rapunzel/Flynn did.
I saw Naveen's transformation and he dwindled away from using her social class against her - starting in the MIDDLE of their time together, not just the end. Now do I think Naveen made some "great sacrifice" offering to marry Charlotte? No. That was weak, and a weak story on Disney's end, but that's another matter. Flynn's sacrifice FAR, FAR outweighs Naveens, Flynn to me might be the most selfless, brave prince, while Naveen is the least. Regardless, I have some natural attraction to Naveen, maybe it's his zest and sense of fun. As a character, I've seen Flynn's 20 times before (wise-cracking pretty boy) so I'm not into him.

He's funny as a frog, and he's good looking as a man. Although at first he was a playboy and lazy, in the end he became a good ma. He's better than Charming, Flynn, and Shang.

princesslullaby I guess we just percieve the development of both characters as well as their romantic feelings towards their love interests differently, which is good because we are different people, haha. I totally see why you might like Naveen and why he works for you, frankly, the initial question was about Naveen and not Flynn vs. Naveen and it only turned into that kind of debate because the other poster mentioned Flynn while referring to me, that's why I felt the need to respond. To me, Naveen came off - and was pretty much clearly established in the first place - as a person who had a massive negative prejudice against less privileged people - to the point where he'd humiliate them for various things including social class and appearance. Tiana represented basically everything he was NOT into from the get go: hardworking young woman with no money and privileges who also repeatedly pointed at how lazy he was which largely damaged his ego (she was the reason he developed an inferiority complex instead of a superiority complex, which to me doesn't seem like a basis for healthy relationship). He continuously called her either "stick in the mud" or referred to her as "waitress" because it was a part of his mindset and attitude towards people including people like her. And I just don't buy into him suddenly changing this attitude overnight just because they cooked something together. Flynn never had prejudices against Rapunzel. At first he was smitted with her gorgeous looks back in the tower and later he was annoyed with the fact that she took his satchel with the crown that was his primary key to riches and better life that he dreamt of. His annoyance had nothing to do with Rapunzel or her personality or her social standing. In the beginning it was ALL about the satchel. Later, however, as he started getting to know her and as they open up to one another during the campfire scene he realizes there is much more to her than meets the eye. That just like him, she was caged and couldn't release her full potential because of circumstances. When he asks her "And you're still gonna go back?" he obviously cares for her, for what might happen to her, for what she might feel. That takes place before the "I like Eugene better" part. After that it's Rapunzel's turn to listen and Flynn opens up to her about things he clearly never opened up to anyone else. The mask he was wearing was obviously helpful but not effective at all. It, in fact, ruined his life even further and his minor tone in that scene is basically the acknowledgement of that. He is struggling and now he doubts - just like he must have doubted all the time - whether the crown or riches is actually what he needs.Because for as long as he tried to fake his identity and pretend to be someone he was not, it never quite lead him anywhere. Only he didn't have a strength or support to actually turn it around. This time, however, he found someone who wasn't judgemental and unaccepting of him and no, Rapunzel was that way not because he was "the first guy she ever met" - when she first met him, she smacked him with a frying pan and blackmailed him in taking her to see the lanterns. About few minutes later they visited a pub full of men where she seemed to get alone with pretty much all of them much better than with Flynn in the beginning - following that logic, wouldn't it have been much easier for her to fall for one of those men? But she doesn't. In fact, she doesn't even think about it. She has a dream and a goal and is determined to fulfill it. It isn't untill she starts seeing Flynn as a nice and caring guy during the campfire scene she starts actually falling for him. Granted, she had interest in him even before, but it wasn't anything to indicate love. It wasn't untill they opened up to one another about things they never revealed to anyone either of them felt a connection to the other. What exactly was the bonding moment between Tiana and Naveen? Him calling her boring and referring to her as "waitress" constantly or her describing in details why he is pathetic and useless? Flynn and Rapunzel shared life experiences and deepest secrets with one another whereas Tiana and Naveen cooked a dinner together. Personally, I prefer the first type of build up, however, I can see why other people might think differently and why Tiana and Naveen bonding moment might work better for them. It doesn't at all for me, but I see why it does for other people. When Rapunzel and Flynn reached town, Flynn was staring lovingly at her excitement over everything she sees. He wanted to make that day special for her. It wasn't untill Max confronted him because Flynn took away a wanted poster from one of the walls they started fighting with one another and it didn't even last long. The only reason why Flynn was even having a good time in the town filled with royal guards determined to catch and hang him was because Rapunzel's energy and positivity was something that made him - finally - enjoy life the way he wasn't capable of before. She made him feel good, lifted him over the circumstances and fears whereas Tiana made Naveen feel useless and worthless. By the time the lantern scene happened, Flynn already realized he wants to feel like that all the time and he wants someone who brings it into his life to be by his side and that's why Rapunzel becomes his new dream. That's why he wants to turn his life around - especially since he was far from being content and happy before. Naveen on the other hand was perfectly happy and content with what he had untill his parents "cut him off" and his first thought was to marry for money. Then he finds a hardworking woman who tells him why he is pathetic and suddenly he loves her in spite of his prejudices against her social class and her personality type because he unnaturally changed his attitude overnight. Obviously, I might be wrong and I'm sure Disney didn't intent it to look that way, but that is the way it looked *to me*. Naveen is a poor rich boy ala Tyler Lockwood from The Vampire Diaries and an infinite number of other characters fandoms are crazy about and I'm not particulary fond of , I don't hate him per se but he just doesn't work for me. Thanks for your insight though. It's the first time I actually had a long an detailed conversation on the subject:)

Sorry I didn't read everything but A LOT of things in Disney change overnight and I don't think it was that unnatural.

I don't know anything about Vampire Diaries. Like I said, as a couple I don't think Naveen/Tiana work. I do see Naveen falling for Tiana--- but the other way around?? No. Why would she? There's just no evidence. (Tiana as a character just doesn't make sense either, but that's off-topic)
I guess I don't mind Naveen being a d-bag because, he never hides it. He doesn't seem like the type to pretend to be in love with a girl to get in her pants-- he's pretty openly a flirt and just there to have fun. So, I don't mind it, because I don't find him deceptive-- In real life, I'm the same way. I don't mind guys who are assholes (not saying I'd date them) as long as they're not masquerading as really nice guys. And so this is why I don't mind Naveen's criticisms of Tiana, or making fun of Lawrence--- which I think more come out of his arrogance, rather than his perception of her--- because he clearly can also take what he dishes out too. I don't know, it's a natural attraction, something I don't have to Flynn.
Your perception of Flynn is totally different than mine, to me it seemed like he was having a fun-filled life before as well, I never saw him as being depressed about his thief life. They don't have any scene in the movie where he laments it. And I certainly don't remember any scene of Flynn staring lovingly at Rapunzel /before/ they got into town-- in fact I just watched, he just sort of looks at her blankly, to me. Nothing special.

That's the entire point though: it's about the perception. To me, the "I'm an asshole but at least I'm ~ honest about it" type of character never works at all. It has to be my least favourite troupe in fiction in regards of writing the characterization and I don't tend to transfer it to real life, I just see it as an incredibly lazy writing and a formula for creating flat and sloppily written characters passed for "complex" and "layered". It was pretty much established in the movie that Naveen was negatively prejudiced against people of a lower social standing - or at least he evidently believed he was better than them because of his privileges or whatever else, his offensive remarks towards his friend and Tiana weren't a defence reaction, it was the result of his obnoxious and inconsiderate behaviour as well as his mindset. My primary issue is that it was barely addressed and his friend was made into a bitter jealus villian instead. As for Flynn, firstly, him and Rapunzel shared this "moment of awkward silence" during the campfire scene, after which Flynn was obviously confused and even nervous because he felt something going on so he said he should get some more fire wood. Then when they were about to reach town and Rapunzel sighed in excitement, he gave her a look of adoration. That all happened before the hair braiding moment, the dance and the lantern scene. I never said Flynn was depressed about being a thief, but he obviously didn't percieve it as some sort of an ultimate happiness, which was clearly evident and established during the campfire scene when he said that thieving just seemed "like a better option" for a kid with nothing. He didn't talk about how amazing and epic this sort of life style was, he viewed it as an objectively wrong choice he made under overly complicated life circumstances. Did he have his fair share of fun? Yeah, obviously. Just like people who work on a job they hate often have fun as well. Doesn't mean they don't want to find the way out though. With Naveen I never saw him wanting a way out before Tiana methodically and effectively "forced" him into believing he was worth of nothing.

I was simply commenting on how *I* saw Naveen's character. I still prefer him to, say, John Smith all the way, but he is definitely not the type of a character I can find very appealing.

Wow. I didn't think I would start a major conversation on this.

Lawrence has to be Disney's absolute worst character ever created, in terms of terrible development, uselessness, and generally being unnecessary in the story. (they really could've just used facilier in his place)
yeah, you perceive flynn differently WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY different than I do because I didn't agree with anything you just said.
Of course Naveen didn't want a way out--- why would he? He has a good life. I think it wasn't about Naveen wanting a way out--- it was about ..him....learning to like tiana....even though she's poor....idk I honestly really don't like the movie and basically think it's a load of shit. But I still like Naveen *shrug*

Why would anybody say no? He is adorable and like me 3rd favourite:)

I adore Naveen. Not that I'm into guys like him in real life beyond friends, but I still love him to bits.

He's cocky and selfish. I think Tiana deserved better. He's not the worst Disney prince, though.