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I'm not convinced por the concept Trinity. Could someone read my points and comentario on them?

I have loads más points, but I'll start with these two:

[Mark 12:29] 
"The first of all the commandments is, Here, O Israel:  The Lord our God is one Lord."  If trinity was a valid belief, then Mark 12:29 would have dicho "..God is three in one".

[Acts 3:22] 
"Moses said:  Jehovah will raise up for tu from among your brothers a prophet like me.  You must listen to him according to all the things he speaks to you."  Here we see Prophet Moses predicting the coming of Prophet Jesus. He didn't say that Jehovah will come down to earth in a form of a human being. Moses dicho ".....a prophet like me.....", which means that jesús will be a human being like Moses.  If jesús was Jehovah, then Moses wouldn't have said ".....a prophet like me.....".

Please answer my points. ^-^
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bri-marie said:
To be honest, I've never been sold on the Trinity either. I'm a hard polytheist por nature (emphasis on the hard).

I did a little research, and link was the best articulo I've found. I think the best descripción for how the Trinity works is the quote at the end: "An analogy would be time. Time is past, present, and future. But, there are not three times, only one."
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good points, nice articulo
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tiagih said:
1. Understand that jesús is talking about Father God not the all inclusive God (father son and holy ghost). jesús hasn't died yet so he isn't talking about the Holy Ghost he is taking about the God of everything which is Father God. Recal Gen 1:26 who do tu think God is referring to when he says "let us make man in our own image"

2.Jehovah is Father God and the "prophet" was his son Jesus. I think "like me" can mean from the children of Israel and más specific from the children of Judah since Moses was a Levite.
It can also mean that that dicho prophet will come in human flesh and deliver his people out of bondage just like Moses did for his people, which many Jews thought that the Messiah would relieved them from the hands of the Romans.

There are many similarities that Moses and jesús (the human) shared that can used for this passage but I don't believe it is implying that jesús was just a man, its saying that he will come as a man. Paul says "I became a Roman to gain a Roman"
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Okay, but also in Mathew 4:1-2 "Then jesús was led por the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted por the Devil.  After he had fasted forty days and forty nights, then he felt hungry." Point 1: Jesus apparently became hungry after fasting, suggesting he needs comida for survival, which he wouldn't need if he was God. Point 2: How can God be tempted por the Devil? It doesn't sound logical. :/
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*his intention, her made adam and eve because he wanted a creation is his likeness and image and thus mankind was born, the only test tu could say they had was to not eat from the frutas of the tree. God doesn't create robots he creates creatures that have to make a chioce in wither they want to serve not have God do all the work and make them amor and obey him. Again unity doesn't mean equality
tiagih posted hace más de un año
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Okay, but the concept is really hard to grasp... doesn't it say in the Bible [John 17:3] "And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW thee the only true God, and jesús Christ, whom thou hast sent."? Understanding our relationship to God is central in gaining salvation and understanding many other gospel doctrines. In fact, here the Bible tells us that our very eternal life depends on knowing HIM. But the Trinity is confusing. "For God is not the autor of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." [Cor. 14:33]
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livetobefree said:
The concept of the trinity was revealed during and after Jesus' lifetime not before do that's why the old testament referred to God as a sole being with no trinity because it was written por Jews to which God hadn't revealed his whole self to. They always knew of a messiah who would save them hence "Jesus" but God hadn't revealed to them that He was His son and part of the Godhead. Think of the trinity as one body and God as the head, jesús as the legs, and the spirit as the arms. They are all one body however the arms are not the legs yet the legs are not the head but they make up one being. They all have their own function but are inseparable and act as one. Proof of the trinity is this:
1. In order for God to save humanity from its sins He needed a perfect sacrifice. No one is perfect but God. So God had to give a part of himself (Jesus) o we couldn't be saved.
2. God is omnipresent meaning he is every where at once. The part of God that I everywhere at once is the Holy Spirit which is the amor emitted from the father and son which is in the hearts of all believers. That is the part of God we feel in our hearts as Christians.

Obviously I can't prove the trinity in an m=mc2 kinda thing but por using logic and sense tu can understand it and explain it
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that works too ^_^
tiagih posted hace más de un año
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Oh good I hope I wasn't confusing u the whole time cuz its hard to explain lol
livetobefree posted hace más de un año
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I know, and I kinda get it a bit, but I thought it'd be a bit rude to stretch it out for longer. xP Not that it stopped me from doing that with tiagih. xD A
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Bladewarrior said:
well dude Jehovah in Moses' time would be God the Father and jesús is God the Son and jesús wasn't there yet so it's natural would call he would call jesús a prophet like him as they were unaware jesús would be the Son of God
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Spottedpool said:
here's one of my own points about the Trinity.

Genesis: Let US make man in OUR image.

I'm not sure which verse this is but the version i used is NIV
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"Us" and "our" and "we" are words which people in a high position used. For example, the Kings and Queens of England used these words to address themselves. It's not plural. God uses "we" in the Qur'an and Torah too.
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foolyoutwice13 said:
Philippians 2:5-11 (ESV)
Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who though he was in form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing,taking the form of a servent, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself por being obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of jesús every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that jesús Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
If God and Christ are seperate Paul would have stated that "who though he was in the form a God" and several other points in this passage point to the trinity, maybbe not all three in this one but atleast the Son and the Father.
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Paul condradicts jesús a lot in Christianity, so that doesn't really help me.
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MineTurtle said:
Yeah, it is a complicated thing and hard to understand, but think of it as a clover.

Clovers have three leaves (except the 4-leaf ones, but let's stay focused). If a leaf is missing, it's not complete. That's like the trinity.

Hope that helps!
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