I was on Eonline's spoiler chat page, and even though the spoilers were about various different shows, the only things people were posting comentarios on were Captain Swan. The nice comentarios were very very nice, but the bad comentarios were, well...they all looked as if they had been written por the same person. (They hadn't). Believe me, I do try to stay away from stuff like that, but there are times when tu can't avoid it. What was strange though, was that they were all arguments (if tu can call them that), I had heard before.
1. "Captain cisne are 'forced' " (Also, "Captain cisne is 'rushed' ").
The first time I heard this was in S2, and it baffled me. As far as I was concerned, there weren't nearly enough CS scenes for me to consume, and here was this person spouting off about how 'forced' they were, as if the writers were foisting any old scene of them on us at every opportunity. To argue that CS are 'forced' implies that the 2 don't have any chemistry, only for the writers to tirelessly plough on, insisting that the viewers ship them. I've seen people try to be clever here, and claim Hook went from being a 'villain' who 'tried to kill Emma and her family' to becoming Emma's true amor in the week they spent in Neverland, and that is why they are 'rushed' o 'forced'. Now, I've never really tried to keep track of time in the show, o thought of it in terms of days o weeks. I guess there are just too many other things for me to be thinking about to keep on parte superior, arriba of stuff like that, and besides, sometimes it's not clear. But what I will say is, it's kind of pointless to think of a nine episode arc as a whole week. To say that Hook went from being a villain to a hero in a week sounds short (I suppose), but the nine episodes that week was told in is long, so the 2 don't match up. Even so, a lot can happen in a week, so...I don't see what the big deal is. In fairy tales, it's common for the hero and heroine to fall in amor at first meeting, o within the span of a few days. If CS are 'forced' o 'rushed', then por definition, so are Snowing and Rumbelle and definitely Swanfire, who only got one episode in which we were told their relationship. And Snowing and Rumbelle all got together in the span of one season. CS have taken LONGER to grow and develop than both of them.
2. "Captain cisne is being shoved down people's throats."
"I've had enough of the producers and the media shoving Captain cisne down my throat," one person fumed. "It's only making me hate Hook and CS."
I just don't get this. If people hate CS and Hook so much, then why don't they stay away from entertainment media sites and stop lectura spoilers o stuff that promotes them? I mean, no-one is making them read about CS o look at them, o go on those sites. If they're so sure that CS IS being 'shoved down their throats' as they so eloquently put it, why don't they stay away? The producers and the media aren't tying people to chairs and making them watch, read o think about CS. Everyone's responsible for his o her own actions. If tu don't want to look at a ship tu hate, then don't. The only person who is making tu watch o think about them is you.
3. "Hook is a monster who doesn't deserve love."
Warning: being full of hatred can seriously damage your judgement. Such people are not the same as other fans, and tu can see that in the language they use. They start throwing words like 'assault', 'rape', 'attempted murder', 'sick and twisted' and 'selling children' around, until tu start to wonder if they're even talking about the same show, let alone the same character. Depend upon it, these same people will also be SwanQueen shippers, Regina fans and Rumple fans, and yet for some bizarre reason, they become semi-hysterical about the terrible things Hook has done, and begin listing them all as if they're expecting him to stand trial and go to jail. Haven't Rumple and Regina both killed people? Hurt people? Lied? Manipulated people? Haven't they both been cruel? If tu can say that they deserve love, then why can't tu say the same for Hook? Unfortunately, there is a clear case of hypocrisy and a double standard which pervades certain factions of the 'Once' fandom, and it doesn't matter what good things Hook will do, because they only want to see the bad.
4. "If Captain cisne get together then it will ruin Emma's character."
This is usually a common line among those SAY they want the best for Emma. But what they really mean. of course, is they want NEAL to be with Emma. It's also popular among the "Hook is a bad, horrible man' set. According to them: poor, defenceless Emma needs protecting from such a vile, creepy pirate, and if she falls in amor with him, then all is doomed. Nothing will ever be right again. Emma will be relegated to one of those freak shows, a woman who doesn't know her own mind, and who isn't capable of being a heroine. No viewer will ever be able to trust her again. How could she let such a fiend near her son...etc. This makes me laugh, because Hook has done so much to support Emma this season. They're not together yet, but they have had a lot of scenes. If these scenes are anything to go by, I would be interested to know how it's ruining her. Was it por taking her to Neverland? Telling her Neal was alive? Instilling confidence in her por telling her she would not fail? Being the first to tell his secret in the Echo Caves so she could be with Neal? Stepping back once they were inicial again to give Neal a chance? Seriously, tell me, I want to know. What, out of all these things Hook has done for Emma is 'ruining' her? It's ridiculous.
5. "If Captain cisne happen, then the mostrar is dead."
How? How will it be dead? They are 2 characters. One story line. Calm down. And how is it possible that even the haters make it sound like the entire mostrar is about CS??
6. "People only like/ship CS because Hook is hot."
This is old, but it won't go away, and I think it's insulting on so many levels. First: it's insulting to the fans, because it assumes that CS shippers are a bunch of hormonal teenage girls who can't think for themselves, and therefore, it insults their intelligence, and undermines the entire fandom. Secondly, it's insulting to Captain Swan, because it insinuates there's no other reason people could like them, because there's just nothing there, it's all superficial and that's it. Thirdly, it's insulting to Jennifer Morrison and Colin O' Donoghue's actuación and the characters they play. And finally, it's insulting to Michael Raymond James, because it infers that the reason why Swanfire don't have más fans is because he's not better looking. "If Colin was playing Neal, then Swanfire would have más fans," someone wrote on E's spoiler page the other day.
Well, they all say beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I think broadly speaking, Colin is considered to be very striking looking, even though not everyone is going to see it. But I do think it helps that he's playing an iconic character who wears a rather fabulous outfit, has an earring, and carries a sword and gets these scene-stealing lines. Neal doesn't have any of that going on, and to be honest, he was always going to be less popular in any case, because of the way he'd treated Emma etc. Would that have been the case if the producers had cast a different (read: más attractive) actor in the role of Neal? It's hard to say. But it's grossly unfair and untrue to say the only reason CS are popular is because of Hook's good looks, when the people saying it don't even like them in the first place and are blind to the reasons why people ship them anyway. Besides, wouldn't we also ship Hook with Regina, Tink, Belle, Ariel, Aurora and so on?
7. "CS is only happening because the producers are pandering to the fanbase."
Yeah right. Didn't SwanQueen exist long before CS did? There are fairly obvious reasons why the writers were never going to make SQ a reality, but if ships only happen because the producers want to make fans happy, then what separates CS from the rest of the other fandoms??
The fans are not in control of what happens. But if they amor a character o a ship, and that character/ship works, then it makes sense for the producers to keep it in the show. CS works. The fans want it, but so do the producers. Sometimes in a show, producers DO toe the line to keep their fans happy. (Think of Klaroline in TVD). But 'Once' is not 'The Vampire Diaries' where the producers are feverishly trying to find ways of keeping all the shippers' hopes alive at the same time por placating, promising. and unfortunately, playing with them. If that were true. they could easily have written a run-of-the-mill amor triángulo, triángulo de where Emma is trying to decide between loyalties to her past (Neal), and the future (Hook). They could have written several nice scenes for SF between the time Emma is reunited with Neal and 3x10. It would have made SF shippers really happy, but they chose not to because they don't believe in playing games with their audience and making the fans want something that isn't going to happen.
It's sad that people refuse to give CS any merit whatsoever, and I think it highlights a certain degree of immaturity and for sure, hypocrisy in the fanbase. What I find disturbing though, is the extent to which some of the worst haters will go to twist things around until it doesn't resemble what took place in the episode at all, just so it fits their macabre ideas and beliefs about a character and a ship they are determined to hate, and one could even argue, are obsessed with hating.
1. "Captain cisne are 'forced' " (Also, "Captain cisne is 'rushed' ").
The first time I heard this was in S2, and it baffled me. As far as I was concerned, there weren't nearly enough CS scenes for me to consume, and here was this person spouting off about how 'forced' they were, as if the writers were foisting any old scene of them on us at every opportunity. To argue that CS are 'forced' implies that the 2 don't have any chemistry, only for the writers to tirelessly plough on, insisting that the viewers ship them. I've seen people try to be clever here, and claim Hook went from being a 'villain' who 'tried to kill Emma and her family' to becoming Emma's true amor in the week they spent in Neverland, and that is why they are 'rushed' o 'forced'. Now, I've never really tried to keep track of time in the show, o thought of it in terms of days o weeks. I guess there are just too many other things for me to be thinking about to keep on parte superior, arriba of stuff like that, and besides, sometimes it's not clear. But what I will say is, it's kind of pointless to think of a nine episode arc as a whole week. To say that Hook went from being a villain to a hero in a week sounds short (I suppose), but the nine episodes that week was told in is long, so the 2 don't match up. Even so, a lot can happen in a week, so...I don't see what the big deal is. In fairy tales, it's common for the hero and heroine to fall in amor at first meeting, o within the span of a few days. If CS are 'forced' o 'rushed', then por definition, so are Snowing and Rumbelle and definitely Swanfire, who only got one episode in which we were told their relationship. And Snowing and Rumbelle all got together in the span of one season. CS have taken LONGER to grow and develop than both of them.
2. "Captain cisne is being shoved down people's throats."
"I've had enough of the producers and the media shoving Captain cisne down my throat," one person fumed. "It's only making me hate Hook and CS."
I just don't get this. If people hate CS and Hook so much, then why don't they stay away from entertainment media sites and stop lectura spoilers o stuff that promotes them? I mean, no-one is making them read about CS o look at them, o go on those sites. If they're so sure that CS IS being 'shoved down their throats' as they so eloquently put it, why don't they stay away? The producers and the media aren't tying people to chairs and making them watch, read o think about CS. Everyone's responsible for his o her own actions. If tu don't want to look at a ship tu hate, then don't. The only person who is making tu watch o think about them is you.
3. "Hook is a monster who doesn't deserve love."
Warning: being full of hatred can seriously damage your judgement. Such people are not the same as other fans, and tu can see that in the language they use. They start throwing words like 'assault', 'rape', 'attempted murder', 'sick and twisted' and 'selling children' around, until tu start to wonder if they're even talking about the same show, let alone the same character. Depend upon it, these same people will also be SwanQueen shippers, Regina fans and Rumple fans, and yet for some bizarre reason, they become semi-hysterical about the terrible things Hook has done, and begin listing them all as if they're expecting him to stand trial and go to jail. Haven't Rumple and Regina both killed people? Hurt people? Lied? Manipulated people? Haven't they both been cruel? If tu can say that they deserve love, then why can't tu say the same for Hook? Unfortunately, there is a clear case of hypocrisy and a double standard which pervades certain factions of the 'Once' fandom, and it doesn't matter what good things Hook will do, because they only want to see the bad.
4. "If Captain cisne get together then it will ruin Emma's character."
This is usually a common line among those SAY they want the best for Emma. But what they really mean. of course, is they want NEAL to be with Emma. It's also popular among the "Hook is a bad, horrible man' set. According to them: poor, defenceless Emma needs protecting from such a vile, creepy pirate, and if she falls in amor with him, then all is doomed. Nothing will ever be right again. Emma will be relegated to one of those freak shows, a woman who doesn't know her own mind, and who isn't capable of being a heroine. No viewer will ever be able to trust her again. How could she let such a fiend near her son...etc. This makes me laugh, because Hook has done so much to support Emma this season. They're not together yet, but they have had a lot of scenes. If these scenes are anything to go by, I would be interested to know how it's ruining her. Was it por taking her to Neverland? Telling her Neal was alive? Instilling confidence in her por telling her she would not fail? Being the first to tell his secret in the Echo Caves so she could be with Neal? Stepping back once they were inicial again to give Neal a chance? Seriously, tell me, I want to know. What, out of all these things Hook has done for Emma is 'ruining' her? It's ridiculous.
5. "If Captain cisne happen, then the mostrar is dead."
How? How will it be dead? They are 2 characters. One story line. Calm down. And how is it possible that even the haters make it sound like the entire mostrar is about CS??
6. "People only like/ship CS because Hook is hot."
This is old, but it won't go away, and I think it's insulting on so many levels. First: it's insulting to the fans, because it assumes that CS shippers are a bunch of hormonal teenage girls who can't think for themselves, and therefore, it insults their intelligence, and undermines the entire fandom. Secondly, it's insulting to Captain Swan, because it insinuates there's no other reason people could like them, because there's just nothing there, it's all superficial and that's it. Thirdly, it's insulting to Jennifer Morrison and Colin O' Donoghue's actuación and the characters they play. And finally, it's insulting to Michael Raymond James, because it infers that the reason why Swanfire don't have más fans is because he's not better looking. "If Colin was playing Neal, then Swanfire would have más fans," someone wrote on E's spoiler page the other day.
Well, they all say beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I think broadly speaking, Colin is considered to be very striking looking, even though not everyone is going to see it. But I do think it helps that he's playing an iconic character who wears a rather fabulous outfit, has an earring, and carries a sword and gets these scene-stealing lines. Neal doesn't have any of that going on, and to be honest, he was always going to be less popular in any case, because of the way he'd treated Emma etc. Would that have been the case if the producers had cast a different (read: más attractive) actor in the role of Neal? It's hard to say. But it's grossly unfair and untrue to say the only reason CS are popular is because of Hook's good looks, when the people saying it don't even like them in the first place and are blind to the reasons why people ship them anyway. Besides, wouldn't we also ship Hook with Regina, Tink, Belle, Ariel, Aurora and so on?
7. "CS is only happening because the producers are pandering to the fanbase."
Yeah right. Didn't SwanQueen exist long before CS did? There are fairly obvious reasons why the writers were never going to make SQ a reality, but if ships only happen because the producers want to make fans happy, then what separates CS from the rest of the other fandoms??
The fans are not in control of what happens. But if they amor a character o a ship, and that character/ship works, then it makes sense for the producers to keep it in the show. CS works. The fans want it, but so do the producers. Sometimes in a show, producers DO toe the line to keep their fans happy. (Think of Klaroline in TVD). But 'Once' is not 'The Vampire Diaries' where the producers are feverishly trying to find ways of keeping all the shippers' hopes alive at the same time por placating, promising. and unfortunately, playing with them. If that were true. they could easily have written a run-of-the-mill amor triángulo, triángulo de where Emma is trying to decide between loyalties to her past (Neal), and the future (Hook). They could have written several nice scenes for SF between the time Emma is reunited with Neal and 3x10. It would have made SF shippers really happy, but they chose not to because they don't believe in playing games with their audience and making the fans want something that isn't going to happen.
It's sad that people refuse to give CS any merit whatsoever, and I think it highlights a certain degree of immaturity and for sure, hypocrisy in the fanbase. What I find disturbing though, is the extent to which some of the worst haters will go to twist things around until it doesn't resemble what took place in the episode at all, just so it fits their macabre ideas and beliefs about a character and a ship they are determined to hate, and one could even argue, are obsessed with hating.